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StevoJH
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It will be very interesting to see how the Portuguese utilise it and what drones they fly off it. Only one of the deck spots is really large enough for a full sized helicopter so that sort of limits the size of the platforms they can choose.
A large quadcopter capable of dropping sensors and LWT torpedos could be extremely useful if they have sufficient radius of operation.
In case anyone is interested, Nigeria ordered these LST-100s awhile back and was built in the UAE. Here are how they look like.Government announces Damen LST-100 selected for Army Landing Craft Heavy.
Government announces next-gen Army Landing Craft Heavy
Minister for Defence Industry and Capability Delivery, Pat Conroy has announced the selection of the preferred option for the Australian Defence Force’s Landing Craft Heavy under a program that will bolster national defence by establishing a new littoral fleet.www.defenceconnect.com.au
Hot off the press, Austal to build 8 x Damen LST-100 at Henderson WA probably commencing in 2026. Displacing 3,900 tonnes and capable of carrying six Abrams MBT, 11 Reback IFV or 26 HIMARS.
A decent size, the former HMAS Tobruk was around 6,000 FL tons.
Unless these vessels are capable of tracking a submarine, carrying LWT's is a waste of time.
Skimmers carrying LWT'S is a waste of space.
If these ships are to be used just as transports then I agree with army crews. but if you include remote mcm or survey then RAN seems the way to go.
OldTex
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There would be better designs to support hydrographic survey, MCM and clearance diving than this LST design. If the roles were to be bolted onto the littoral manoeuvre role for which they are being acquired then there would need to be more of them, potential at least 12 and possibly up to 16.
Does it actually say mcm anywhere? Could it be minelaying? Lots if carrying capacity, cranes, rear ramp....
New details about general purpose frigates to be built in WA
The Government announced on Monday it had whittled its shortlist down from four options to two shipbuilders in a highly competitive tender process.
thewest.com.au
3 designs. 1 Mitsubishi, 2 TKMS.
Not yet clear which Mogami design. Anyone wanna guess which 2 from TKMS? A200(Aus spec?), A210 would seem unlikely.
Redlands18
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Mogami-class frigate - WikipediaNew details about general purpose frigates to be built in WA
The Government announced on Monday it had whittled its shortlist down from four options to two shipbuilders in a highly competitive tender process.
3 designs. 1 Mitsubishi, 2 TKMS.
Not yet clear which Mogami design. Anyone wanna guess which 2 from TKMS? A200(Aus spec?), A210 would seem unlikely.
133m makes it the original Mogami class, the upgraded Mogami is 142m. 121m means the A200, differences between the 2 different specs, we will have to wait and see.
In that article it says mogami or 30FFM, several others say upgraded or new Mogami or new version of the Mogami.
A200 could mean Aus spec or other countries current A200 design.
My guess would be 2x A200. 1xAus spec, (batch IV-sea giraffe) and 1x existing(batch III egyptian variant) as stated in this article below.
Australien auf Fregatten-Kurs: Deutsch-australische Rüstungskooperation in Reichweite
Im Rahmen des australischen Flottenumbaus bietet sich für Deutschland eine strategische Gelegenheit: Der geplante Bau von Tier-2-Kampfschiffen könnte die bewährten MEKO-Designs von thyssenkrupp Marine Systems (tkMS) ins Spiel bringen. Doch für eine erfolgreiche Partnerschaft bedarf es nicht nur...
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+ the Upgraded Mogami as is, possibly with the export mast.
3 Hobarts -144 cells
6 Hunters -192 cells
11 Upgraded Mogami(32 mk41 SL VLS) or Meko a200(Egypt-32 mica NG VLS) or Meko a210(32 mk41 SL VLS) -352 cells
6 LOSVs -192 cells
= 880 -Mr Conroy.
Would fall well short of 880 cells with…
Mogami 30FFM = 16 TL mk 41 VLS
Meko A200(Batch IV) = 16 TL mk 41 VLS (maybe modifications could change that, getting rid of the secondary gun platform or making it smaller and replacing it with a dew?)
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https://www.minister.defence.gov.au...milestone-reached-down-selection-shipbuilders
This link is the actual media release from the two ministers. There is not much in the way of specifics, just calling out the two builders and the two ship types (Mogami and A200). There is no information on fit or specification, in the wording, but they do detail the various ship hull lengths in the attached images.
This link is the actual media release from the two ministers. There is not much in the way of specifics, just calling out the two builders and the two ship types (Mogami and A200). There is no information on fit or specification, in the wording, but they do detail the various ship hull lengths in the attached images.
iambuzzard
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IIn case anyone is interested, Nigeria ordered these LST-100s awhile back and was built in the UAE. Here are how they look like.
It looks quite an effective platform. A decent sized flight deck, plenty of space forward of the bridge for containerized loads (with the crane), and Roll On/Roll Off below the main deck. My concern is what will be the self defense fit out? A 25mm or 30mm Typhoon mount up forward makes sense with an excellent arc of fire, but I'm wondering what else apart from 50 calibre mounts could be fitted. It needs a decent CIWS. Phalanx and SeaRam would be problematic, but perhaps there is something smaller and self contained that could be located on the deck. Any thoughts?In case anyone is interested, Nigeria ordered these LST-100s awhile back and was built in the UAE. Here are how they look like.
Containerised self defense systems maybe + 25-30mm up front.
Once again, 4 vessel spaces on top of the deck could have have been useful as duel purpose platforms.
-USV for mcm or surveillance, fire support, RCWS, DEW or kamikaze
-combat craft
-UUV, speartooth/ghostvshark, other
-UAV
-10-20ft containers
-electronic warfare
-light landing craft
-patrol boat like the whiskey project with spike nlos or something else
-etc etc
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Redlands18
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The Nigerian vessel lacks the Davits for carrying small boats such as the planned Riverine Patrol boats, that has been shown on the Damen site and the picture released by Defence. I suspect the ADF vessels will come fitted with the davits as transporting the patrol boats will be a major role for these ships.
Ironically some or most of these mission sets are listed for the Mogami class FFMs.
These really may be replacing not just the ANZACs, but the OPVs, MCMVs, hydrographic vessels etc.
If you look at the history of the FFM, it started as Japan's LCS but then traded speed for survivability and combat power.
Redlands18
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A real Jack of all trades but still capable in those trades, anything from convoy escort to supporting a landing or MCM work.
They will be, at last, a modern day replacement for the Bathurst Class Corvettes and River Class Frigates of WWII.
There were multiple attempts from the 60s onwards to build a class of useful, survivable combatants in decent numbers, to supplement the major combatants. Every time they ended up growing too much and being cancelled or actually ended up as compromised replacements for the majors.
We always seemed to end up with the worst of both worlds. Our majors were ordered too small so as to free up cash for greater numbers, but then the greater numbers were never ordered.
Arguably for the numbers we have had, we should have had DLGs or helicopter cruisers, instead of DDGs, and DDGs instead of frigates. Then instead of the MEKO ANZACs, OHP FFGs.
I spent the day reading up on the Bathurst class. I didn't realise we had a fleet of 60 of them during the war. Several mothballed ship yards were opened in a hurry to make them (evidently the industry had atrophied prior to the war, sounds familiar). At the peak two were punched out per month.
I enjoyed reading about HMAS Pirie, which had a mutiny. Aparently the captain was horrible and made his sailors live onboard while he went to a hotel. 2/3 of the crew refused to report for duty. He sent an armed guard to surround the ship. Sounds very Australian.
The Bathursts were put to service after the war clearing the thousands of mines laid by both sides (took ages to complete), and three were present for the Japanese surrender in Toyko Bay. The last one went in 1960, HMAS Wagga.
Heaps of them saw serious combat. HMAS Armidale was sunk following an air attack. Teddy Shean was on Armidale and his story is well known. Armidale went into hostile territory, probably beyond her means to adequately defend against, in order to evacuate troops. She went down fighting.
HMAS Warnambool was sunk by a mine (an Australian one) after the war.
83 sailors died on Bathurst class ships. May their service and sacrifice always be remembered.
I enjoyed reading about HMAS Pirie, which had a mutiny. Aparently the captain was horrible and made his sailors live onboard while he went to a hotel. 2/3 of the crew refused to report for duty. He sent an armed guard to surround the ship. Sounds very Australian.
The Bathursts were put to service after the war clearing the thousands of mines laid by both sides (took ages to complete), and three were present for the Japanese surrender in Toyko Bay. The last one went in 1960, HMAS Wagga.
Heaps of them saw serious combat. HMAS Armidale was sunk following an air attack. Teddy Shean was on Armidale and his story is well known. Armidale went into hostile territory, probably beyond her means to adequately defend against, in order to evacuate troops. She went down fighting.
HMAS Warnambool was sunk by a mine (an Australian one) after the war.
83 sailors died on Bathurst class ships. May their service and sacrifice always be remembered.
iambuzzard
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IIn case anyone is interested, Nigeria ordered these LST-100s awhile back and was built in the UAE. Here are how they look like.
HMAS Castlemaine is at Williamstown and well maintained by the museum volunteers. I have been on her.
HMAS Whyalla is on display in Whyalla.