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Sandhi Yudha
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All nineteen NH90-NFH helicopters of the Koninklijke Luchtmacht (KLu) will receive a Mid-Life Update. This MLU programme will start in 2028 and will keep the helicopters operational for another fifteen years.
The NH-90s are operated by 860 Sq. which is based at Maritiem Vliegkamp De Kooy, Den Helder.
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The NH-90s are operated by 860 Sq. which is based at Maritiem Vliegkamp De Kooy, Den Helder.
Upgrade programme Dutch NH90 helicopters
Upgrade programme Dutch NH90 helicopters All nineteen NH90-NFH helicopters of the Koninklijke Luchtmacht (KLu, Royal Netherlands Air Force) will receive a Mid-Life Update (MLU). Th...
That's good. Would be interesting to find out what the Dutch usage rates and CPFH of their NH90 fleet are.All nineteen NH90-NFH helicopters of the Koninklijke Luchtmacht (KLu) will receive a Mid-Life Update. This MLU programme will start in 2028 and will keep the helicopters operational for another fifteen years.
The NH-90s are operated by 860 Sq. which is based at Maritiem Vliegkamp De Kooy, Den Helder.
Upgrade programme Dutch NH90 helicopters
Upgrade programme Dutch NH90 helicopters All nineteen NH90-NFH helicopters of the Koninklijke Luchtmacht (KLu, Royal Netherlands Air Force) will receive a Mid-Life Update (MLU). Th...
Sandhi Yudha
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In this interesting illustration taken from the Twitterpage of Damen-Saab, we can see that the modules/fuselage parts will be built in Sweden by Kockums in Karlskrona and then transported to Koninklijke Schelde in Vlissingen. In Vlissingen the various systems and components will be installed in these modules, and after that these components will be assembled to form a complete submarine.
This modular design makes it much easier to perform modernization and repairs on the submarines. Besides that they also tell us that the design is flexible, durable and environmental friendly.
This modular design makes it much easier to perform modernization and repairs on the submarines. Besides that they also tell us that the design is flexible, durable and environmental friendly.
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Sandhi Yudha
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This news article shows us some plans for the future replacement of the Luchtverdedigings- en Commandofregatten/De Zeven Provinciënklasse.
|"Het ministerie van Defensie ging eerder uit van een aankoopbedrag voor de fregatten zelf van minimaal 2,5 miljard euro. De speciale bewapening die op deze en andere schepen en onderzeeërs kan worden gebruikt zou maximaal nog eens 2,5 miljard euro mogen kosten.
Duurder
De kans is groot dat de kosten hoger oplopen, tot wel 8 miljard euro, bevestigen Haagse bronnen. Het is de bedoeling dat de fregatten na 2030 ingezet kunnen worden."|
The four new ships will be built in the Netherlands, most likely by Koninklijke Schelde in Vlissingen.
According to some sources, the costs for each LCF-ship was f 800.000.000 per ship. Other sources tells that the costs for just the four ships is €1,553 miljard, and €1,926 miljard if weapons and additional equipment are included. (Antwoorden op vragen van de vaste commissie voor Defensie over het Materieelprojectenoverzicht 2010, Tweede Kamer, 4 november 2010)
So it is understandable that the pricetag for the four new ships will be €2,5+ miljard together, but €8 miljard is a little bit ridiculous.
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|"Het ministerie van Defensie ging eerder uit van een aankoopbedrag voor de fregatten zelf van minimaal 2,5 miljard euro. De speciale bewapening die op deze en andere schepen en onderzeeërs kan worden gebruikt zou maximaal nog eens 2,5 miljard euro mogen kosten.
Duurder
De kans is groot dat de kosten hoger oplopen, tot wel 8 miljard euro, bevestigen Haagse bronnen. Het is de bedoeling dat de fregatten na 2030 ingezet kunnen worden."|
The four new ships will be built in the Netherlands, most likely by Koninklijke Schelde in Vlissingen.
According to some sources, the costs for each LCF-ship was f 800.000.000 per ship. Other sources tells that the costs for just the four ships is €1,553 miljard, and €1,926 miljard if weapons and additional equipment are included. (Antwoorden op vragen van de vaste commissie voor Defensie over het Materieelprojectenoverzicht 2010, Tweede Kamer, 4 november 2010)
So it is understandable that the pricetag for the four new ships will be €2,5+ miljard together, but €8 miljard is a little bit ridiculous.
Kabinet wil miljardenorder plaatsen voor vier fregatten bij Nederlandse scheepswerf
Defensie schaft voor miljarden euro's nieuwe fregatten aan. Die moeten vier oudere fregatten vanaf 2030 gaan vervangen.
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Redlands18
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German-Dutch air defence frigate concept still hangs in the balance - Naval Technology (naval-technology.com)This news article shows us some plans for the future replacement of the Luchtverdedigings- en Commandofregatten/De Zeven Provinciënklasse.
|"Het ministerie van Defensie ging eerder uit van een aankoopbedrag voor de fregatten zelf van minimaal 2,5 miljard euro. De speciale bewapening die op deze en andere schepen en onderzeeërs kan worden gebruikt zou maximaal nog eens 2,5 miljard euro mogen kosten.
Duurder
De kans is groot dat de kosten hoger oplopen, tot wel 8 miljard euro, bevestigen Haagse bronnen. Het is de bedoeling dat de fregatten na 2030 ingezet kunnen worden."|
The four new ships will be built in the Netherlands, most likely by Koninklijke Schelde in Vlissingen.
According to some sources, the costs for each LCF-ship was f 800.000.000 per ship. Other sources tells that the costs for just the four ships is €1,553 miljard, and €1,926 miljard if weapons and additional equipment are included. (Antwoorden op vragen van de vaste commissie voor Defensie over het Materieelprojectenoverzicht 2010, Tweede Kamer, 4 november 2010)
So it is understandable that the four new ships will €2,5+ miljard together, but €8 miljard is a little bit ridiculous.
Kabinet wil miljardenorder plaatsen voor vier fregatten bij Nederlandse scheepswerf
Defensie schaft voor miljarden euro's nieuwe fregatten aan. Die moeten vier oudere fregatten vanaf 2030 gaan vervangen.
Netherlands and Germany are still in talks about the co-procurement of the F-127 AD Frigate (which is actually a Dutch design), to replace the de Seven Provincien and Saschen classes.
Sandhi Yudha
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According to this website
Brief nieuwe fregatten morgen naar Kamer, maar lek is opmerkelijker
FuAD ter vervanging van de LCF'en
marineschepen.nl
Redlands18
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The de Seven Provincien and Saschen classes both use the same radars, Smart-L, APAR, Sirius IRST, with Mk 41 VLS for SM-2 and ESSM. If Germany had gone American they would have fitted the Spy-AEGIS system to the Saschens. Highly unlikely that the Netherlands is going with any other design than the F127, with differences in fitout to the German ships, considering it is a Damen design.According to this website
the Netherlands and Germany already split their ways, because Germany prefers american radarsystems, and Netherlands prefers of course that mosts systems will come from Hollandse Signaalapparaten/Thales Nederland.Brief nieuwe fregatten morgen naar Kamer, maar lek is opmerkelijker
FuAD ter vervanging van de LCF'enmarineschepen.nl
Another thing in that article is, they are claiming the French have won the SSK competition, with the conventional version of the Suffren.
Germany's replacing SMART-L on the F124s - with an Israeli Elta radar made in Germany by Hensoldt, not an American radar. F125 has a Hensoldt main radar & F126 has Hensoldt & Thales radars. The Luftwaffe & Heer use some American radars - but more are French, German, Italian or Israeli. I think there may be a tendency recently to buy more German & Israeli radars, & cooperation with Israel, but I don't see evidence of a turn to American radars.According to this website
the Netherlands and Germany already split their ways, because Germany prefers american radarsystems, and Netherlands prefers of course that mosts systems will come from Hollandse Signaalapparaten/Thales Nederland.Brief nieuwe fregatten morgen naar Kamer, maar lek is opmerkelijker
FuAD ter vervanging van de LCF'enmarineschepen.nl
This brings back memories.
If I am recalling correctly an F124 derivative was offered to Australia with AEGIS and SPY-1F.
That would have been a nice ship, but the baseline requirement was for SPY-D a larger, heavier and more capable system.
SPY-1F is used on the Norwegian frigates.
Ananda
The Bunker Group
France’s Naval Group Set to Win €2.5 Billion Submarine Deal
France’s Naval Group SA is closing in on a contract worth at least €2.5 billion ($2.7 billion) to build four submarines for the Netherlands.
www.bloomberg.com
Bloomberg article claim that NG close to get the deal for 4 Dutch Submarine. This going to beat Thysenkurp and SAAB. This is string of success for NG, with India, Brazil and now seems also Dutch. If they later on got Indonesian deal, then it is really excellent string.
Seems NG business model to build the Submarine practically on domestic Partner Yard, also help on costs calculation. Definitely going to help the politicians agenda.
Redlands18
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The Attack class will get built yetFrance’s Naval Group Set to Win €2.5 Billion Submarine Deal
France’s Naval Group SA is closing in on a contract worth at least €2.5 billion ($2.7 billion) to build four submarines for the Netherlands.
Bloomberg article claim that NG close to get the deal for 4 Dutch Submarine. This going to beat Thysenkurp and SAAB. This is string of success for NG, with India, Brazil and now seems also Dutch. If they later on got Indonesian deal, then it is really excellent string.
Seems NG business model to build the Submarine practically on domestic Partner Yard, also help on costs calculation. Definitely going to help the politicians agenda.
Just not for the RAN and with some differences.
Say what you like about the French, but they are good Sales people.
Ananda
The Bunker Group
Wondering how much attack class design and blue print that's being recycle in this bid. The quote from that article clearly stated the two points that NG got leads. If they are recycling design that more or less already quite advanced in making, that also can be a factor.
Sandhi Yudha
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Those DCNS submarines will be probably fully constructed in France, with not much Dutch content/workshare, instead of the Damen/Saab offer. But indeed the customer will choose the best offer.
Starting from 2032, de Koninklijke Marine will receive 6 new multipurpose amphibious transport ships to replace the four Hollandklasse patrolboats and the two LPD's Zr.Ms. Rotterdam and Zr.Ms. Johan de Witt. The last ship is planned for delivery in 2037.
Edit: now in English
www.navalnews.com
Starting from 2032, de Koninklijke Marine will receive 6 new multipurpose amphibious transport ships to replace the four Hollandklasse patrolboats and the two LPD's Zr.Ms. Rotterdam and Zr.Ms. Johan de Witt. The last ship is planned for delivery in 2037.
Edit: now in English
Dutch Navy to replace OPV and LPD with a Single Class of Ships - Naval News
The Royal Netherlands Navy will procure a single class of ship to replace its existing fleet of LPDs and OPVs in the 2030s
www.navalnews.com
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Well that would be true if the customer was Mark Rutte and the offer was a post retirement job offer. Many different governments have been kicking the can down the road on this project for a decade and a half. But now Mark is eyeing a nice NATO post a decision had to made (even though he's demissionair, i.e. without mandate after elections),after all he needs French support.Those DCNS submarines will be probably fully constructed in France, with not much Dutch content/workshare, instead of the Damen/Saab offer. But indeed the customer will choose the best offer.
Dutch Navy to replace OPV and LPD with a Single Class of Ships - Naval News
The Royal Netherlands Navy will procure a single class of ship to replace its existing fleet of LPDs and OPVs in the 2030s
I'm also reading postings from insiders complaining about all kinds of shenanigans. Like how the request was changed to split off the maintenance contracts and even something about industrial espionage (but I have no evidence for that). I guess time will tell, but if the Australians are any indication I think they just signed us up for a whole lot of stink!
I’ve read the same and to be clear they are not insiders, just a handful of the same bitter people complaining on forums / social media.
No information about the actual bids has filtered out into the open - there have been no leaks, no anonymous whistleblowers going to the media and saying “Damen ranked higher in the technical evaluation or final score but the Prime Minister overrode the selection committee’s recommendation”, no indication that Saab’s proposal was actually better, cheaper or even able to meet all requirements.
Just a bunch of nationalistic internal lobbying by people who want to see Saab win, because Damen is their partner. In reality we just don’t know the merits of each bid.
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Redlands18
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The Netherlands Select Naval Group for its New Submarines - Naval News
The Dutch government announced today it has "provisionally selected" French shipbuilder Naval Group to build its future submarines...
www.navalnews.com
Orka
Zwaardvis
Barracuda
Tijgerhaai
Delivery of the 1st two boats is expected within 10 years of contract signature.
Orka class specs
82 x 8.2m
3,300 tons surfaced
6x torpedo tubes, 30x torpedoes/missiles
15,000nm range, lithium-ion batteries
59 bunks (35-43 crew)
So it is significantly smaller than expected, but with a larger weapons load than the Barracuda SSNs.
Source: www.meretmarine.com/fr/defense/les-pays-bas-selectionnent-l-offre-francaise-de-naval-group-pour-leurs-futurs-sous-marins
82 x 8.2m
3,300 tons surfaced
6x torpedo tubes, 30x torpedoes/missiles
15,000nm range, lithium-ion batteries
59 bunks (35-43 crew)
So it is significantly smaller than expected, but with a larger weapons load than the Barracuda SSNs.
Source: www.meretmarine.com/fr/defense/les-pays-bas-selectionnent-l-offre-francaise-de-naval-group-pour-leurs-futurs-sous-marins
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John Fedup
The Bunker Group
I would have thought it would be larger. SK would be wise to offer something larger for the RCN to minimize the Quebec/ France factor.Orka class specs
82 x 8.2m
3,300 tons surfaced
6x torpedo tubes, 30x torpedoes/missiles
15,000nm range, lithium-ion batteries
59 bunks (35-43 crew)
So it is significantly smaller than expected, but with a larger weapons load than the Barracuda SSNs.
Source: www.meretmarine.com/fr/defense/les-pays-bas-selectionnent-l-offre-francaise-de-naval-group-pour-leurs-futurs-sous-marins