Even now many Palestinian activists demand that Israel agree to be absorbed into a new Palestinian state.
There's also arguments that "many" Israel and pro zionist activist and backers talk to kick out all Palestinian and absorb all Gaza and West Bank for integral part of Jewish only state. This is talk much longer before the latest Hamas attack. So enough both sides activist opinions have dreams to complete eradication of the others side.
The talk of new Palestinian state also differ from those who wants all Jews especially those who came from Europe to leave, to much moderate ones that basically talk about one nation for all present population (means none leave) which be call back as Palestine rather then Israel.
Whereas I suspect that if they had the same military advantage that Israel currently has, they would have conquered all Jewish territory by now and killed anyone who resisted.
If the Palestinian that actually won the war and become dominant force, and then push Jewish inhabitants to smaller corner (say put Tel Aviv as strip instead Gaza), for decades, blockade and control their movement, arrest and do target attack in name of security control. Will not that turn the Israel Jews into militants and doing terorism act? Remember Jewish activist also done bombing and attack toward British forces, during Israel state conceptions. Some Palestinian also put evidence that the Jewish activist also attack their communities during Israel conceptions. Something that pro Israel denies.
So both sides have shown enough evidence can do damages to each other. Telling one of them are morally superior, sorry to say not shown the reality in the ground. I see media in West or from those who are historically pro Israel, question why after the attack from Hamas, many still pro Hamas. In reality there's also different between Pro Palestinian and Pro Hamas.
Personally if the Arab win the war in late 40's, or in 50's and 60's, I tend to see there're also no Palestinian state. The land of Palestine will be absorb and divide mostly by Egypt and Jordanian. So the Jewish population if Arab won the war most probable found themselves either become Jordanian or Egyptian.
certainly all learnt more about these people in Malaysia and Indonesia, who wanted to play it down & thought this was the hill to die on, rather than the fact of children being massacred.
Many that call solidarity for Palestinian and continue support Palestinian cause, is not supporting Hamas and even some of them actually condemn radicals like Hamas. However they also see condemning Hamas this time around will be use by those who support Israel to turn back Palestinian causes. Just like Palestinian and Israeli in the ground, those who support them Internationally also already distrust and labeling each other.
The pro Israel talk about children that Hamas kill will find counter arguments, what about Palestinian children that Israel kill over the years. Is religion matter on the support ? True most muslim support Palestinian more. However I also see some Christians supporting Palestinian as there are also Christian among Palestinian. Political ideology even in West also seems leaning to each other side. All shows not only in the ground, but each sides supporters Internationally also already divide and suspicious to others sources.
Call me a conspiracy nut but Putin has been putting a lot of effort into the middle east and Africa in recent times.
If we talk conspiracy, then there's also conspiracy talk on Hamas attack is part of Israel right wing agenda. Arguments that base on talk by some Israeli ex intelligence that talk Israel is responsible on creating Hamas as counter weight to PLO Fatah. Conspiracy talk that say it is impossible the attack this big from Hamas is done without Israel intelligence knowledge. The talk that right wing Isreal factions let Hamas rearm and even leak Isreal security protocols and systems in the Gaza border. This will be use by Israel to have excuse to wipe out Palestinian in Gaza, either through genocides or complete ethnic cleansing.
So there're multiple conspiracies theories circulate now. From Russian diversion, to Israel right wing false flag agenda. Personally I tend to see this as part of Israel overconfidence added by Hamas take chances due to Israel political chaos.
Add:
India basically has more pro Isreal stance in this matter. However having Indian media talk on debunking video:
This video is from an eight-year-old incident in Guatemala. It has nothing to do with Noa Argamani, the 25-year-old woman who was kidnapped.
www.indiatoday.in
Shown propaganda from both sides is increasing. This just make both sides (inclusing the international opinions support) continue divide. Infact increasingly polarized.
Israel is probably one of the least ethnically homogenous nations on earth. That's not what we're striving for. And Israel has plenty of Arabs that we don't intend on hurting or infringing on their rights any time soon, many of whom are doing vital work that is well recognized.
It is about keeping the threat away from our front door. Iran is one of Palestine's largest supporters. I'm sure if a proposal came, they'd gladly accept.
I think it's pointless to ask for specifics. I raised the idea that is now prevalent in Israel. If anyone actually wants to realize it, there will be plenty of army staff, diplomats, lawyers, and experts, ironing out the specifics.
Do I think there will be a mass exodus? No.
But Gaza can now only rely on food and water from their own fields and aquifers, and Egypt's supplies - all of which are unavailable because Hamas did not care enough about running its natural resources properly, and kept antagonizing Egypt.
