Lolcake
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Wonder if Singapore's 8-10 of CH-47Fs at Oakey would be moved around too
MARKMILES77
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A mock-up of an Australian AS-9 Huntsman undergoing ballistic testing in South Korea:
MARKMILES77
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So first two guns will come of the South Korean line and only 28 will be built at Avalon.
How can Australian production be justified.
Also those South Korean guns will arrive next year, 2024.
Yes production numbers for SPG's and resupply vehicles look limiting as is !
Still hopeful for that second Tranche before production winds down.
Cheers S
Redlands18
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There is still the possibility of at least 129 AS-21 Redbacks being built at Avalon.
It’s almost like they have to now. how different is the Aussie version to the Original K9?
Dear Dept of Defence:
I know it's trendy phrase used in many context, but I really object to the headline refering to the AS-9 being a "game changer". Delivering, and being protected from the application of lethal force is hardly a game. It's not the footy on Saturday night.
So much of a 'game changer' that the Government just decided to procure half as many AS-9/10 as originally planned and consign that many troops to the 'old game' of a lesser standard of firepower and protection?
I'm sure the good Private who wrote the story didn't write the headline, but some website editor/sub editor. There are plenty of sites out there that trivialise defence stories as entertainment, but please not the CoA DoD.
Imagine the ultimate number is more like 100 if the strategic environment continues to worsen.
The M777 is obsolete, and more firepower is required not less.
And even on the oft-quoted mythical pacific/SEA island where only the M777 would be effective - the fact that a pair of AS9 with a single 10 in support would be far more effective that a battery of M777 (or a couple of regiments if the opposing force has even a relatively modest loitering munition capability) seems to be completely lost.
I am at a loss to be honest. Hard to understand what is going on.
Regards,
Massive
My guess is that this is an accounting issue. More SPHs and IFVs beyond what has been announced are, in my view, highly likely for all the reasons articulated on here. But the gov wants to push the cost outside the forward estimates so the budget balance looks better.
Probably some real reduction, but otherwise this is a timing issue I think. I hope I am right.
Current cost of living pressures are creating issues with the optics of increased defence spending.
There is actually a substantial, almost embarrassing, budget surplus. SPG and the original IFV numbers could be covered quite easily, it just wouldn't go down well with voters who are suffering mortgage and cost of living stress.
There is actually a substantial, almost embarrassing, budget surplus. SPG and the original IFV numbers could be covered quite easily, it just wouldn't go down well with voters who are suffering mortgage and cost of living stress.
However the budget surplus is likely to be short lived and a significant reversal is on the cards. I hope @Morgo is right about future orders. if not we could order a few thousand Yamaha TT700s to get to the front…a man ridden swarm..
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By the time production of the currently ordered SPGs and IFVs is complete we will have had several election cycles.
A possible new gov will have its own defence plan.
This may include expanded vehicle numbers. Only the future will tell.
I found this of interest in the attachment for the As-9
"Elphinstone, a company on the north coast of Tasmania, will manufacture the hulls and turrets."
I made the false assumption that most manufacture rather than just assembly would be at the new Hanwha Defence factory near Avalon.
Well done Elphinstone in Burnie. Impressive list of projects on your website.
Just wondering what does this look like should the Redback prove successful.
This was in the ADM
Redback turret to be manufactured in Australia - Australian Defence Magazine
Hanwha Defense Australia (HDA) and Elbit Systems of Israel have agreed to support the Redback turret, built in Australia, for the global market.
www.australiandefence.com.au
So Avalon or out sourced to Elphinstone?
Pending an outcome I guess.
Phase 3 were are you!
Cheers S
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Elphinstone are a sub-contractor to Hanwha for LAND 8116.I found this of interest in the attachment for the As-9
"Elphinstone, a company on the north coast of Tasmania, will manufacture the hulls and turrets."
I made the false assumption that most manufacture rather than just assembly would be at the new Hanwha Defence factory near Avalon.
Well done Elphinstone in Burnie. Impressive list of projects on your website.
Just wondering what does this look like should the Redback prove successful.
This was in the ADM
Redback turret to be manufactured in Australia - Australian Defence Magazine
Hanwha Defense Australia (HDA) and Elbit Systems of Israel have agreed to support the Redback turret, built in Australia, for the global market.
So Avalon or out sourced to Elphinstone?
Pending an outcome I guess.
Phase 3 were are you!
Cheers S
The hulls and turrets will be shipped to Avalon. Mated to other major components there, assembled, finished (including painting processes) and tested.
Lots of pieces coming from different places…
Back on topic! More Carl Gustavs M4s ordered from SAAB. Australia orders more Carl-Gustaf weapons from Saab - Australian Defence Magazine
Looks like a formal pitch has been submitted by Sea Transport for its stern landing vessel. Not sure how a pitch vs bid is delineated in this case. How do they protect the propulsion units? Would they withdraw into the hull when backing in?
www.australiandefence.com.au
Seatransport pitches Stern Landing Vessel for Land 8710 - Australian Defence Magazine
Gold Coast-based naval architecture and marine engineering company Seatransport is offering a version of its Stern Landing Vessel (SLV) for Army’s Land 8710 Phase 2 (Littoral Manoeuvre Vessel-Heavy) p...
www.australiandefence.com.au
An interesting vessel.Looks like a formal pitch has been submitted by Sea Transport for its stern landing vessel. Not sure how a pitch vs bid is delineated in this case. How do they protect the propulsion units? Would they withdraw into the hull when backing in?
Seatransport pitches Stern Landing Vessel for Land 8710 - Australian Defence Magazine
Gold Coast-based naval architecture and marine engineering company Seatransport is offering a version of its Stern Landing Vessel (SLV) for Army’s Land 8710 Phase 2 (Littoral Manoeuvre Vessel-Heavy) p...
Had a look at one berthed at Lady Barron on Flinders Island.
Certainly gone from concept to a working platform.
Trust defence get a move on with the Medium / Heavy LAND 8710 Project.
I thought it was to be a priority in the DSR.
ARMY Littorial manoeuvre
Still think the Medium category should of being 50m plus.
Waiting to see what transpires.
Cheers S