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Vladlen Tatarsky, a pro war Russian military blogger has been assasinated in a cafe in St.Petersburg.
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After Daria Dughina, this is another high profile assasination of pro-war propagandists.
War blogger Vladlen Tatarsky killed in explosion in a Petersburg cafe — Meduza
An explosion occurred on the evening of April 2 in the St. Petersburg cafe Street Food Bar No. 1, reports Interfax, citing local emergency services. The explosion killed one person and injured another 15. “According to the latest information, a gas cylinder may have exploded in the cafe,” said...
After Daria Dughina, this is another high profile assasination of pro-war propagandists.
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Unlike Dugina, Vladlen was a front line war journalist. He regularly visited the front line and posted buckets of footage for free. His murder is a crime, and quite possibly an act of terrorism that should be condemned. Killing people for their opinions and the media they publish is despicable.Vladlen Tatarsky, a pro war Russian military blogger has been assasinated in a cafe in St.Petersburg.
War blogger Vladlen Tatarsky killed in explosion in a Petersburg cafe — Meduza
An explosion occurred on the evening of April 2 in the St. Petersburg cafe Street Food Bar No. 1, reports Interfax, citing local emergency services. The explosion killed one person and injured another 15. “According to the latest information, a gas cylinder may have exploded in the cafe,” said...
After Daria Dughina, this is another high profile assasination of pro-war propagandists.
Ananda
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Right, it is propagandist for West. Wondering what Western media going call in assassinations in public place. If this is done by Russian, we can be sure it is already up and armed in all Western Media as terorism and human rights violations. Or do we call also Western Propagandist media??
I think in general "Western media" are careful with using words like "terrorist", as described in these guidelines from BBC, which I recommend you have a look at: http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/editorialguidelines/pdfs/reporting-terrorism.pdf
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Apologies for submitting wiki but murders of journalists have been ongoing in Russia for over twenty years why is this one special?
List of journalists killed in Russia - Wikipedia
List of journalists killed in Russia - Wikipedia
John Fedup
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The on going murders of journalists during the last 20 years were done by Russians (mostly Putin operatives). These recent murders, probably Ukrainian agents were responsible. Tatarsky was a mutt but it is unfortunate others were hurt.
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Video of a Russian tank exploding after being hit by UKR fire. OSINT give the location as "... next to the sand pits in Vodyane, Donetsk Oblast. (48.100191, 37.662889)."
The UKR are using KS-19 AAA guns in the ground role. They are using "... Soviet UOF-412 rounds with OF-412 projectiles" manufactured in 1962.
SPG-9 73mm recoilless rifle used UKR forces in an indirect fire role.
UKR anti drone system based on HMGs.
Russian claims that VDV commander Colonel General Mikhail Teplinsky has returned to Ukraine. There are claims that he's the VDV commander and planning the war from a Joint HQ.
A bit of drone on drone jousting. Spoiler, the UKR drone was victorious.
A Russian loitering munition disposing of a UKR Krab 155mm SPG and its ammo truck.
Burning UKR M113 APC. Not sure of date or location.
Couple of destroyed Ukrainian HMMWV M1151A1 armored vehicles. Not sure of date or location.
A Russian T80BV being destroyed by a Javelin. Videoed from following Russian tank.
Second tranche of UKR gunners trained on 155mm guns have completed their UK based training.
Russian Naval Infantry using UAV to correct arty fire.
UKR strike on Russian tank.
Ukrainian arty Russian 2S4 Tyulpan 240mm heavy mortar. Location: near Tavilzhanka, Kharkiv Oblast, Ukraine 49.842624, 37.802414
Ukrainian 9K35 Strela-10 targets a Russian drone.
UKR SU-25 attacking Russian forces.
Bakhmut Situation Map 3/4/23.
Russian VDV units are now receiving TOS-1A thermobaric MLRS.
Video of a Russian tank exploding after being hit by UKR fire. OSINT give the location as "... next to the sand pits in Vodyane, Donetsk Oblast. (48.100191, 37.662889)."
The UKR are using KS-19 AAA guns in the ground role. They are using "... Soviet UOF-412 rounds with OF-412 projectiles" manufactured in 1962.
SPG-9 73mm recoilless rifle used UKR forces in an indirect fire role.
UKR anti drone system based on HMGs.
Russian claims that VDV commander Colonel General Mikhail Teplinsky has returned to Ukraine. There are claims that he's the VDV commander and planning the war from a Joint HQ.
A bit of drone on drone jousting. Spoiler, the UKR drone was victorious.
A Russian loitering munition disposing of a UKR Krab 155mm SPG and its ammo truck.
Burning UKR M113 APC. Not sure of date or location.
Couple of destroyed Ukrainian HMMWV M1151A1 armored vehicles. Not sure of date or location.
A Russian T80BV being destroyed by a Javelin. Videoed from following Russian tank.
Second tranche of UKR gunners trained on 155mm guns have completed their UK based training.
Russian Naval Infantry using UAV to correct arty fire.
UKR strike on Russian tank.
Ukrainian arty Russian 2S4 Tyulpan 240mm heavy mortar. Location: near Tavilzhanka, Kharkiv Oblast, Ukraine 49.842624, 37.802414
Ukrainian 9K35 Strela-10 targets a Russian drone.
UKR SU-25 attacking Russian forces.
Bakhmut Situation Map 3/4/23.
Russian VDV units are now receiving TOS-1A thermobaric MLRS.
Ananda
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Yet in same time if this is happening in Western soil with some anti Russian journalist or opposition, there's already condemnation on Western media and their pundits on directing the blame directly to Russia. There's none that even talk from media pundits shown condemnation toward journalist killings. Seems again whose side journalist are matter anyway.
I have a dispute about calling this person a journalist rather than a propagandist who called for the destruction of Ukraine ,as I previously posted over the last few decades many journalists have been murdered, the rights of citizens to access information that contradicts the state is illegal
Russia Takes Censorship to New Extremes, Stifling War Coverage - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
It should be obvious if many of us expressed our views in Russia we would be jailed
Russia Takes Censorship to New Extremes, Stifling War Coverage - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
It should be obvious if many of us expressed our views in Russia we would be jailed
Why is an act of terrorism? Considering that Vladlen Tatarsky, actually Maxim Fomin:
"... posted a video in which he vowed: “That’s it. We’ll defeat everybody, kill everybody, rob everybody we need to. It will all be the way we like it. God be with you.” Prominent Russian military blogger killed in cafe blast
Those certainly aren't the words of an accredited journalist. He's no more a journalist than the wikileaks founder, or Vladimir Putin. Russian journos who don't toe Putin's line find themselves in deep trouble; - stay in a prison colony,
- being mobilised,
- defenestrated, or
- poisoned etc.
Furthermore who says it was a Ukrainian hit? It could've been a:
- FSB hit because of his criticism of the Russian military effort.
- Putin doesn't like any criticism and maybe Fomin, to use his real name, stood on one toe to many or has outlived his usefulness.
- Putin sending a message to Russian bloggers that criticism of the army's war record is no longer tolerated.
- It could've have been an organised crime hit.
- May have been a Russian resistant hit.
The guy who was killed was not a journalist. He was a blogger. Some of the statements he made before he was killed:
Russian Military Blogger Killed in St Petersburg Bomb Blast (voanews.com)
He also had some enemies in the Russian establishment:
Vladlen Tatarsky, Russian Military Blogger, Is Killed in St. Petersburg Bombing - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
Ananda
The Bunker Group
Well there's enough bloggers in the West that call themselves and regards by some as Journalists. or is it now the ones call Journalists only for those work for mainsteam media, especially mainstream media on 'approve' western standard.
In anyway is it make it allright to be killed in public place like that with explosive devices ? Injuring civilians ? Is this not act of assassination bordering cross to terrorism ? Something that 'deserve' condemnation in mainstream media including western ones ? Unless western media acknowledge they are working on different level of standard.
Or rather now try to deflect the blame to internal Russian politics as Kviy try to do.
If it makes you happy, please continue to call him a journalist. I, and a number of other people, strongly disagree. He was a blogger.
Where does this come from? Who has said "it is allright to be killed in public place"? and "injuring civilians"!? Please stop inventing things.
Did you read the guidelines I linked to above?
Interesting that the bombing took place in Yevgeny Prigozhin,s cafe, Does a propagandist become a combatant when they advocate heavily for warfare? any footage of Vladlen Tatarsky on the front does not show him wearing anything to identify him as a journalist but seemed in regular military uniform ,I have taken the opportunity to read his posts and view videos one including Wagner troops mistreating a tied up prisoner
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Ananda
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Yes off course, I understand on the double standard believe any way. Off course everyone free on what they're believing.
Inventing this ? whose inventing ? You bring out the arguments on Blogger not Journalists. Remember I post that there's no condemnation in western media for Journalists killed. So again some will call him journalists and some will insist him as bloggers.
So what ever it is, again is it excusable to be kill in public space ? So stop try find excuse. And yes, I already knows your so call 'guidelines', and doesn't excuse lack of condemnation on western media. Are you able to shown why your precious 'guidelines' allow western media to directly put blame on other sides, if opposites happen ? It is already shown several times.
Are still have other western condescending value to put ? As ussual ?
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There is a difference between a journalist who tries to report things Putin doesn't like, or a peaceful political opponent of Putin, & someone who says on the record such things as "We'll defeat everyone, we'll kill everyone, we'll rob everyone we need to. Everything will be as we like it". That's not journalism.
Ananda
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Well maybe he's not a journalist on some 'mainstream' western media standard. However there's also those 'bloggers' in west in each side of extreme political spectrums, that some still call them Journalists.