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Is that a New Zealand thing?
Is that a New Zealand thing?
FormerDirtDart
Well-Known Member
AOR means Area of Responsibility.
That seemed to be what was announced this past summer (from RAN2.0 thread)
Redlands18
Well-Known Member
Australia seeks to include Japan in AUKUS defence pact with US and UK
Defence Minister Richard Marles sends a clear signal that Australia wants Japan to be included in the AUKUS pact, declaring that security ties between the two nations were becoming "indispensable".
www.abc.net.au
Marles and Wong have arrived in Japan after the AUSMIN talks in Washington and reportedly are pushing for Japan to join AUKUS. Australia and Japan are definitely increasing their Defence cooperation and a deployment to Japan of RAAF F-35s is planned for 2023.
Ahem no, not quite. Minister Marles said that it was far to soon to involve Japan in AUKUS. He said that AUKUS needs to be bedded in first and see where it goes technology wise before thinking about inviting Japan. The other and far more important point was the signing of the mutual forces agreement that allows for stationing of Japanese Forces in Australia and Australian Forces in Japan. This is the first time that Japan has signed such an agreement. Marles's intention is to have Japan involved in the next Talisman Sabre serial.JAUKUS a possibility?
Australia seeks to include Japan in AUKUS defence pact with US and UK
Defence Minister Richard Marles sends a clear signal that Australia wants Japan to be included in the AUKUS pact, declaring that security ties between the two nations were becoming "indispensable".
Marles and Wong have arrived in Japan after the AUSMIN talks in Washington and reportedly are pushing for Japan to join AUKUS. Australia and Japan are definitely increasing their Defence cooperation and a deployment to Japan of RAAF F-35s is planned for 2023.
Prime Minister Albanese has re-emphasised the importance of SSNs and stressed that a land war in Western Queensland is highly unlikely:
Heavy emphasis on self-reliance.
www.theage.com.au
Heavy emphasis on self-reliance.
‘We need to be prepared to invest’: Albanese highlights need for subs, not tanks
The prime minister has challenged previous plans to ramp up Australia’s armoured capabilities, saying a land war defending western Queensland was highly unlikely.
So have they finally defeated the last emu resistance in Western Queensland?Prime Minister Albanese has re-emphasised the importance of SSNs and stressed that a land war in Western Queensland is highly unlikely:
Heavy emphasis on self-reliance.
‘We need to be prepared to invest’: Albanese highlights need for subs, not tanks
The prime minister has challenged previous plans to ramp up Australia’s armoured capabilities, saying a land war defending western Queensland was highly unlikely.
So long as they make a choice and start production I don't care what the initial order is.
This isn't about China or any particular nation, increased defence spending is a factor of the end of our benign strategic environment that existed following Suharto becoming Indonesia's president.
It was Indonesia becoming a genuinely non aligned country in 1968, at the same time as the various communist insurgencies wound down and the US became the unchallenged guarantor of our security, that enabled Australia to progressively reduce defence capability through the 70s until now.
What we have now is very different, we need to spend more, we need better value for money, and we need to build our collective security relationships with our friends and neighbours.
This isn't about China or any particular nation, increased defence spending is a factor of the end of our benign strategic environment that existed following Suharto becoming Indonesia's president.
It was Indonesia becoming a genuinely non aligned country in 1968, at the same time as the various communist insurgencies wound down and the US became the unchallenged guarantor of our security, that enabled Australia to progressively reduce defence capability through the 70s until now.
What we have now is very different, we need to spend more, we need better value for money, and we need to build our collective security relationships with our friends and neighbours.
Are you suggesting that Indonesia is a strategic threat? I’m not saying they’re not, but I hadn’t really considered the possibility post East Timor.
While we have our differences, I would’ve thought points of contention between us would be far more easily solvable by diplomacy than the differing world view we have with China.
Given they have all the right demographic characteristics for a major economic boom in the coming decades (which should in theory be a major windfall for Australia) if they end up hostile this would be extremely problematic for us.
No. There’s a fragile peace with the Emu Kingdom, but everything west of Longreach is lost forever.
What I wrote was that prior to Suharto becoming president Indonesia was perceived as the major strategic threat to Australia. Their move away from Soviet influence enabled Australia to reduce investment in defence.
Improving relations with Indonesia and the growth of other neighbours, resulted in a much more benign region and reduced need for defence spending.
China's growing influence and efforts to divide are forcing a revision of defence needs.
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I can read extremely well, and I don’t appreciate that tone chief. It’s entirely unnecessary.
What you said was that it’s not only about China or any country in particular, and then went on to talk about Indonesia. It is reasonable to conclude from what you wrote that you potentially consider both China and Indonesia (and others) to be strategic problems for Australia.
Your writing was unclear, hence the very civil clarifying question.
Aardvark144
Active Member
I must come to Volkodav's defence. His statement in no way implies Indonesia is a threat, what was said was the Indonesia becoming a non-aligned country in 1968 along with other factors (insurgency winddown and the US influence) brought in a more stable environment for Australia - until now.
I don’t think anyone needs to come to anyone’s defence.
@Volkodav made a statement which could be interpreted as holding what, to me, is a contrarian view, which would very interesting to me. And if he did I would be interested in understanding the reasons why. That’s the whole reason I am on here - to learn.
The clarification that he didn’t hold that view was welcome. The attitude was not.
In any case let’s discuss more productive things shall we?
Paul Keating made a speech years ago where he referenced the billions Australia had been able to save on what would otherwise have been required for our defence. Specifically he mentioned Suharto's rise had stabilised the region and reduced the need to invest in defence.
The Soviets saw Indonesia as a potential destabilising element in the region, even though Sukarno and the various insurgencies and territorial expansions he was involving Indonesia in were more about nationalism.
Basically being friends with a more moderate Indonesia saved Australia a stack of money.
Redlands18
Well-Known Member
West of Longreach, there is nothing out there, the Emu's are welcome to it
Just going to point out that Kevin Rudd is now lined up to be Ambassador to the USA. Smith Is getting the UK.
Which basically means, KRudds views are now Australia's views, and it seems he will now have some official say with the Americans. KRudd is a diplomat, IMO, this position I think is a good fit. He has influence with the Americans now. I wonder if he has feelings on the defence review, his comments on deterrent IMO are the strongest voice in Australia in increasing military capability for a specific reason and function. He has lived in the US for the past 10 years. AUKUS and Trump will be interesting points for him to deal with. Of course, China.. I wonder if he will make a China visit in combination with the Americans. Rudd also has significant influence with the Australian diplomatic corps.
Even Turnbull and Hockey has praised the appointment.
www.smh.com.au
Not sure how I feel about Smith. Although this comes straight away after the defence review, so in the scheme of AUKUS makes some sense on collaboration. He is high profile enough, and he was already out of politics so its not a buy off position in that sense. I will try not to read anything into this before the Defence review is announced. His forign affairs and defence ministerial portfolios are relevant.
www.theguardian.com
Defence review must be imminently expected. Hopefully will explain a few things going forward.
Which basically means, KRudds views are now Australia's views, and it seems he will now have some official say with the Americans. KRudd is a diplomat, IMO, this position I think is a good fit. He has influence with the Americans now. I wonder if he has feelings on the defence review, his comments on deterrent IMO are the strongest voice in Australia in increasing military capability for a specific reason and function. He has lived in the US for the past 10 years. AUKUS and Trump will be interesting points for him to deal with. Of course, China.. I wonder if he will make a China visit in combination with the Americans. Rudd also has significant influence with the Australian diplomatic corps.
Even Turnbull and Hockey has praised the appointment.
Kevin Rudd’s diplomatic clout to open doors in DC: Hockey, Turnbull
Former Liberal-appointed ambassadors and one ex-PM praised the choice of Rudd as next ambassador to the US, while his old enemies declined to comment.
Not sure how I feel about Smith. Although this comes straight away after the defence review, so in the scheme of AUKUS makes some sense on collaboration. He is high profile enough, and he was already out of politics so its not a buy off position in that sense. I will try not to read anything into this before the Defence review is announced. His forign affairs and defence ministerial portfolios are relevant.
Stephen Smith named UK high commissioner as government flags fewer political appointments
Penny Wong defends appointing former Labor minister as a sign of the ‘eminence of Australia’s relationship with the UK’
www.theguardian.com
Defence review must be imminently expected. Hopefully will explain a few things going forward.
Good perspective on Australia & China from Sam Roggaveen:
Sam Roggeveen on Twitter: "Some thoughts on Greg Sheridan's weekend column, specifically this paragraph on the Chinese military threat to Australia. https://t.co/1LmvxH2GJi https://t.co/nBchr5y9Zo" / Twitter
Distance is a very handy source of friction for any aggressor.
Regards,
Massive
Sam Roggeveen on Twitter: "Some thoughts on Greg Sheridan's weekend column, specifically this paragraph on the Chinese military threat to Australia. https://t.co/1LmvxH2GJi https://t.co/nBchr5y9Zo" / Twitter
Distance is a very handy source of friction for any aggressor.
Regards,
Massive
In regards to possible lessons learnt from the Ukraine war the discussion of tactical use of drones by the A.D.F seems muted , the R.U.S.I had earlier suggested that because of the high attrition rate of large expensive drones in the Ukraine war that low cost ones would be important for other conflicts , there have been multiple online videos showing cheap drones dropping grenades or such accurately onto positions , is there information that the A.D.F has considered what changes it may need to make with this type of developing warfare
Apologies for quoting my own post but I found this a very helpful listen on this topic. In short, the effectiveness of drones may have been exaggerated by the Ukrainians for propaganda purposes.