The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

OPSSG

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Post 3 of 5: Yes we can

13. That’s why war planners study the terrain, study enemy dispositions, anticipate the enemy courses of action, use deception, and set limits of advance for own forces — to ensure that you don’t over run your own logistics capability — so as to increase the chance of success.

14. To help the UA to adapt to changing tactical situations that emerge from each fire fight — a sitrep is made. In this war, both sides are learning by dying — a harsh but unfortunate truth. The Russians likewise have plans to frustrate UA aims — this creates the fiction of war.

15. But the shocker has been Russian propagandists (of the type that have been claiming Russian breakthroughs in the Donbas for months) are now says Ukrainian troops have made it all the way to the Oskil river, nearly cutting off the major Russian deployment in Izyum. I am not sure if this is true in the fog of war but we will see.

16. Looking at the rail network map, it is no surprise that the Russians would defend the city and more. But the Oskil river South of Kupiansk is a potential death trap for reinforcements or breakout because of two reasons.
One, every crossing location is in PzH 2000 and/or HIMARS range.​
Two, Russia moved most of its pontoons to Kherson to try to bridge the Dnipro.​
17. There is of course a downside to this; it could force a breakout battle or early commitment of Russian theatre reserves. I think the latest UA photo on the outskirts of Kupiansk is intended to trigger a Russian response that the Ukrainians have a counter for. The Ukrainians have a drawer plan for this move — a scenario that they had war gamed before.

18. The Ukrainian fire support officer embedded with SF, watching the axis would be excited — but I have no access to the intelligence picture of the ECA for the Russian reinforcement (composition of forces & likely route).
(a) If I was a company commander of an ABG heading into Kupiansk proper, I would be very worried right now about Ukrainian follow-on forces, ammo state and start looking for where to dig my fighting positions — but that’s just me. Actual intel would give a Company commander time & space considerations before digging or to keep advancing (because if you are hugging the enemy, their artillery has a slight targeting problem).​
(b) Another key aspect of this ops would be for the recce elements to link up with partisans in the city. IMO, the UA has great human intel on disposition of Russian forces in occupied cities and towns.​
 
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STURM

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If this is true, that a lieutenant-general is captured by Ukraine, then this show us again some incompetence from Russian side.
Or just plain bad luck. As we all know despite all preparations, training, etc, luck or the lack of it remains an important element. Some will say an officer of his rank had no business being in a position where he was at risk of capture but perhaps he had a good reason to be where he was.

The person on his knees and the one in the dress uniform look similar. The person wearing the camo cap however has what appears to be a sharper nose.
 
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Vivendi

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New significant US weapons package announced -- USD 2.2 Billion for 18 European countries, and USD 675 million for Ukraine specifically, which will cover:

  • Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS)
  • 1,000 155mm rounds of Remote Anti-Armor Mine Systems
  • Four 105mm Howitzers and 36,000 105mm artillery rounds
  • Additional High-speed Anti-radiation missiles (HARMs)
  • 100 Armored High-Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWV)
  • 1,500,000 rounds of small arms ammunition
  • More than 5,000 anti-armor systems
  • Additional grenade launchers and small arms
  • 50 armored medical treatment vehicles
  • Night vision devices and other field equipment
With this latest weapons package, the US will have provided a total of USD 14.5 billion in military aid to Ukraine.
US unveils $2B in military aid for Europe, arms for Ukraine (defensenews.com)
Along with new weapons for Ukraine, US sets up $2.2B FMF pot for European nations - Breaking Defense

In other news, Norway has donated 160 Hellfire missiles and night vision equipment to Ukraine. The equipment has already been shipped from Norway, and Ukranian soldiers have already been trained on the Hellfires by Norway: Will donate Hellfire missiles and night vision equipment to Ukraine - regjeringen.no

Future donations from Norway will most likely be brand new equipment, since there is not much surplus equipment left in Norway.
 

Feanor

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Ukrainian forces are on the outskirts of Kupyansk, attempting to advance into the city. They've also expanded the zone of control southward along the river. The southern pincer appears to be pushing on Izyum. While Izyum is not cut off, despite the loss of the road to Kupyansk, it can still be access from the east.


Footage from this new offensive, Australian-supplied M113AS4.


Ukrainian armor is reported near Kupyansk.


Ukrainian strikes into Kupyansk are reported.


Russia is meanwhile hitting Chuguev and Kharkov.


Russian reinforcements on the move. There are reports of large numbers of Russian reinforcements, including some being heloed into Kupyansk. This suggests that nearby reinforcements are insufficient, and Russia is pulling out all the stops to try and bring units into this fight. Again, it's an open question whether they will succeed.

 

Vivendi

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Amazing progress.

Picture from just outside Kupyansk:
Illia Ponomarenko (@IAPonomarenko) / Twitter

Shevchenkove:
Illia Ponomarenko on Twitter: "Shevchenkove https://t.co/hOwmZgtUbz" / Twitter

Emotional and extremely happy residents in Balakliya are greeting the Ukranian soldiers who liberated the town:
Matthew Luxmoore on Twitter: / Twitter

New poll in Germany: Despite record high energy prices there is still massive support for Ukraine (70%), in particular amongst the Greens (97%):
Marcel Dirsus on Twitter:

Some analysts are concerned Ukraine is becoming overstretched in the north. Mark Hertling is not sharing these concerns -- had there been two "normal" armies fighting each other he agrees there would be reason for concern. But Russia's poor counter-attack performance allays this concern. Ukraine is executing a "terrain oriented objective attack" to further restrict Russia’s lines of communication (supplies), using terrain to their advantage. Control of roads, railroads, and bridges are critical.

Russia has already lost in Ukraine. A combination of massive Western support and an incredibly strong will in the whole population to fight against the intruders, combined with low morale and high level of corruption in the Russian military means that a Russian victory is simply not possible anymore. And this is even before Ukraine has received equipment like NASAMS / IRIS-T air defense systems, and long before delivery of F-16s to the Ukranian air force (which, according to the latest rumors, might happen during second half of 2023). And the massive training program in the UK has barely started...

Hopefully somebody will have the balls to tell Putin the truth about his "special operation". The madness he started must end, sooner rather than later.
Darth Putin on Twitter: "Briefing with generals https://t.co/LyJCQgLDuw" / Twitter
 
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STURM

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A combination of massive Western support and an incredibly strong will in the whole population to fight against the intruders, combined with low morale and high level of corruption in the Russian military means that a Russian victory is simply not possible anymore.
We keep hearing about the corruption angle and there is no doubt it had an impact.

The question that comes to mind however is if the Russians had not acted on highly flawed assumptions [the Ukrainians collapsing and the Russians being welcomed as liberators] and actually prepared [the right force structure; adequate number of troops and sound logistics] for an invasion of this scale/magnitude in the 2nd largest country in Europe [one with a large army and large pool of manpower to call on] and had spent the past few years preparing for a high intensity protracted war rather than the types encountered in Syria, Georgia, Chechnya and the Donbas; would corruption have still been a major impediment?

Other major limitations is the fact that even if corruption was not an issue; not fully mobilising and calling on conscripts means the Russians would still have major manpower issues [a lot of platoons were the size of large sections and a lot of IFVs were manned by 4-5 people; including crews] and the Russian air force is not trained or structured to conduct a strategic level campaign the way Western air forces are - whether it was in WW2, Afghanistan, Chechnya, Georgia or Syria; a traditional role of the Soviet/Russian air force was as flying artillery.

By the looks of it it's hard to see how the Russians can even accomplish the aim of taking the whole Donbas; let alone other parts of the Ukraine or fanciful notions of taking Kiev and forming a new government but it's still early days: this conflict can drag on indefinitely and things can change with regards to some of Russia's aims. Russia may not ultimately be victorious in the strictest sense but to me this also doesn't automatically mean the Ukrainians will [the definition of "victory" in this context meaning the expulsion of all Russian troops and the liberation of all Ukranian territory; including the Crimea which the Ukrainians have mentioned].
 
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Vivendi

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It's now official: The US has for some time provided GPS-guided Excalibur to Ukraine. The DoD will spend USD 92 million due to replenished US stocks of GPS-guided Excalibur to Ukraine. Other items:


$745.5 million for Stinger missile replenishments. This includes $303.7 million for modifications to existing weapons as the missile is no longer in production, and $370.3 million for replacing the Stingers sent to Ukraine, which would require restarting production for the Pentagon that ended in fiscal 2005 or replacing them with a comparable weapon. The remaining money is needed for replacement of Stinger battery coolant units.
$471 million to replace the 16 HIMARS units built by Lockheed Martin Corp. and increase production capacity
$337 million on 155mm replacement rounds for the Army and Marine Corps
$263 million to reimburse the Air Force for transportation from U.S. depots to embarkation in Europe “in support of the international effort to counter Russian aggression”
$260.5 million for GMLRS GPS-guided rockets and increased production capacity
$74.7 million for 50-caliber replacements and ammunition
$65 million to replace “small, medium, and large assault craft” transferred to Ukraine

 

Vivendi

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The question that comes to mind however is if the Russians had not acted on highly flawed assumptions [the Ukrainians collapsing and the Russians being welcomed as liberators] and actually prepared [the right force structure; adequate number of troops and sound logistics] for an invasion of this scale/magnitude in the 2nd largest country in Europe [one with a large army and large pool of manpower to call on] and had spent the past few years preparing for a high intensity protracted war rather than the types encountered in Syria, Georgia, Chechnya and the Donbas; would corruption have still been a major impediment? Other major limitations is the fact that even if corruption was not an issue; not fully mobilising and calling on conscripts means the Russians would still have major manpower issues [a lot of platoons were the size of large sections and a lot of IFVs were manned by
4-5 people; including crews] and the Russian air force is not trained or structured to conduct a strategic level campaign the way Western air forces are.
Sure, we can always entertain various what-ifs -- what if the US & allies had provided a much higher level of support to Ukraine over the past few years, preparing Ukraine for a massive Russia invasion? What if they had supplemented Ukranian air defences with NASAMS, IRIS-T and Patriot before February 24? What if Ukraine have had 100 F-16s with properly integrated antiradiation missiles, AMRAAM, AIM-9x, and lots of precision a2g munitions ready before February 24? What if they have had several hundred modern 155mm and one thousand Leo 2s?

Back to reality: Putin cannot mobilize since, if he did, he will lose support and get kicked out. He is between a rock and a hard place, and there is no way out. Only China could potentially change the equation dramatically but Xi has so far not shown any inclination to do so.
 

STURM

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Sure, we can always entertain various what-ifs
If you don't mind my question still stands; would corruption have been a major impediment if Russia had not made serious mistakes in key areas? To me that's a pertinent and interesting question; even if you think otherwise and responded by presenting various what if scenarios...

If you want to indulge in what ifs; what if Russia in 2014 had not confined its actions to the Donbas and had made a thrust towards the rest of the Ukraine?

Back to reality: Putin cannot mobilize since, if he did, he will lose support and get kicked out. He is between a rock and a hard place, and there is no way out. Only China could potentially change the equation dramatically but Xi has so far not shown any inclination to do so.
Well I don't have an Oracle I can consult so I'll refrain from making assumptions. The part about Russia having already lost and the Ukrainians with massive Western support having all but already won makes for a great narrative but I'll refrain from joining in just yet.

What exactly is your definition of "there is no way out"? If you mean that Russia is unable to achieve the key aims it set when undertaking the invasion; fully agreed. If however you mean that Russia will fail in all of its - revised - aims; to me it's still early days. Things can change. As for fully mobilising; that is something Putin avoided for good reason but if things take a drastic turn for the worst; it's not inconceivable that full mobilisation will occur. You seriously expect Putin to retreat with his tail between his legs and to openly acknowledge it - all's well that ends well with good triumphing over evil?

You mentioned reality; the reality is that despite Russia being severely weakened and stretched on resources; the part that it still has resources [albeit not comparable to the West's]; still may be capable of surprises [remember the cliche about the enemy having a say]; still may be able to sustain itself indefinitely despite all the great Western kit and training provided to the Ukrainians and that the Ukrainians may not achieve all of their aims; is still very much part of the narrative...
 
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Feanor

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More footage.

Ukrainian soldier challenges two unknowns in apparently Ukrainian uniforms but without the proper armband, and gets shot. This is described as a Russian infiltrator team.


Russian air defense column with S-300 TELs and Pantsyrs.


Strikes on Chuguev continue.


The bridge across the Oskol in Kupyansk has been serious damaged.


TOS-1 unit moving towards the Kupyansk-Izyum area.


Allegedly Ukrainian POWs from somewhere near Balakleya-Izyum area.


Russian MLRS fires, Izyum-Balakleya area.

 

Big Slick

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New significant US weapons package announced -- USD 2.2 Billion for 18 European countries, and USD 675 million for Ukraine specifically, which will cover:

  • Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS)
  • 1,000 155mm rounds of Remote Anti-Armor Mine Systems
  • Four 105mm Howitzers and 36,000 105mm artillery rounds
  • Additional High-speed Anti-radiation missiles (HARMs)
  • 100 Armored High-Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWV)
  • 1,500,000 rounds of small arms ammunition
  • More than 5,000 anti-armor systems
  • Additional grenade launchers and small arms
  • 50 armored medical treatment vehicles
  • Night vision devices and other field equipment
With this latest weapons package, the US will have provided a total of USD 14.5 billion in military aid to Ukraine.
US unveils $2B in military aid for Europe, arms for Ukraine (defensenews.com)
Along with new weapons for Ukraine, US sets up $2.2B FMF pot for European nations - Breaking Defense

In other news, Norway has donated 160 Hellfire missiles and night vision equipment to Ukraine. The equipment has already been shipped from Norway, and Ukranian soldiers have already been trained on the Hellfires by Norway: Will donate Hellfire missiles and night vision equipment to Ukraine - regjeringen.no

Future donations from Norway will most likely be brand new equipment, since there is not much surplus equipment left in Norway.
I read both articles but didn’t see the terms of the loan. Anyone familiar with the loan terms?
 

Atunga

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Sure, we can always entertain various what-ifs -- what if the US & allies had provided a much higher level of support to Ukraine over the past few years, preparing Ukraine for a massive Russia invasion? What if they had supplemented Ukranian air defences with NASAMS, IRIS-T and Patriot before February 24? What if Ukraine have had 100 F-16s with properly integrated antiradiation missiles, AMRAAM, AIM-9x, and lots of precision a2g munitions ready before February 24? What if they have had several hundred modern 155mm and one thousand Leo 2s?

Back to reality: Putin cannot mobilize since, if he did, he will lose support and get kicked out. He is between a rock and a hard place, and there is no way out. Only China could potentially change the equation dramatically but Xi has so far not shown any inclination to do so.
Please explain in some detail why Putin will be kicked out if he mobilises his troops? I think it’s to early to start getting excited, the team that’s scores first hasn’t won the game until the game is over
 

Feanor

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Please explain in some detail why Putin will be kicked out if he mobilises his troops? I think it’s to early to start getting excited, the team that’s scores first hasn’t won the game until the game is over
I don't think he will be kicked out, but I think this will cost him a lot of public support. Remember, Russia isn't a traditional dictatorship where you can machinegun protesters. Russia is an authoritarian oligarchy and relies on an image of domestic normalcy to support its legitimacy. Mobilization and even just sending in conscripts without mobilizing would drastically reduce the popularity of the war (it's already not that popular but people generally seem to accept it) and support for the ruling group. It's not unthinkable, but so far they are unwilling to do. I suspect it will take a major defeat to change their mind.

Update.

Heavy fighting is continuing around the breakthrough, the fighting continues to rage around Kupyansk. There are unconfirmed reports that Russian reserves have set up along the Stariy Oskol river to prevent a Ukrainian crossing. Reportedly Ukraine is massing forces for an assault on Kupyansk, while Russia is trying to use firepower to destroyed those forces. The souther pincer is reportedly pushing onward north of Izyum, it appears to be aiming at cutting Izyum off completely.


Allegedly destroyed Ukrainian ZSU-23-4.


Fires burn in Kupyansk.


More footage of the bridge in Kupyansk that got hit.


Russian Marines near Izyum get hit by a mortar shell dropped from a UAV, then footage of the CASEVAC. Warning graphic footage.


Russian Uragan fires near Izyum.


There is a report from the commander of BARS-13 (apparently a btln) that they repulsed a Ukrainian tank attack near Izyum. Note the attack is not the signicant portion, it may or may not be true. The name of the unit is what draws my attention. BARS was a formation of ~38 000 reservists Russia created meant to replace losses in line units. The name BARS-13 implies that they've been converted into full sized units themselves.


It also appears that the front line around Artemovsk/Bakhmut has begun to move. After the fall of Kodema, Russian forces are advancing south of the city. Their intent seems to be to envelop the city and then attack from multiple directions.

 
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Ranger25

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New significant US weapons package announced -- USD 2.2 Billion for 18 European countries, and USD 675 million for Ukraine specifically, which will cover:

  • Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS)
  • 1,000 155mm rounds of Remote Anti-Armor Mine Systems
  • Four 105mm Howitzers and 36,000 105mm artillery rounds
  • Additional High-speed Anti-radiation missiles (HARMs)
  • 100 Armored High-Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWV)
  • 1,500,000 rounds of small arms ammunition
  • More than 5,000 anti-armor systems
  • Additional grenade launchers and small arms
  • 50 armored medical treatment vehicles
  • Night vision devices and other field equipment
With this latest weapons package, the US will have provided a total of USD 14.5 billion in military aid to Ukraine.
US unveils $2B in military aid for Europe, arms for Ukraine (defensenews.com)
Along with new weapons for Ukraine, US sets up $2.2B FMF pot for European nations - Breaking Defense

In other news, Norway has donated 160 Hellfire missiles and night vision equipment to Ukraine. The equipment has already been shipped from Norway, and Ukranian soldiers have already been trained on the Hellfires by Norway: Will donate Hellfire missiles and night vision equipment to Ukraine - regjeringen.no

Future donations from Norway will most likely be brand new equipment, since there is not much surplus equipment left in Norway.

the 155mm RAMM is new as I see to the theatre. 155 round that dispenses 9 anti armor mines prior to impact. RAMM is compliant with international FASCAM style protocols


100 rounds,, 9000 anti armor mines that can be used for area denial etc at max range of the UKR 155 MM tubes

another new western tech that could be used to shape the battle field at long range




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vonnoobie

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Reportedly UKR forces have captured Senkove village where there is a bridge that crosses the Oskil river. Why the fighting in Kupiansk is important I think this little location may give us an indication in the next day or so if they intend to push beyond the Oskil or hold their. Bemefits and risks to advancing or holding, so curious to see what will happen here.


Further south has been reported that UKR forces have entered Kapitolovka and Oskil which if accurate with the situation north of Izium pretty much entirely cuts it off from it's GLOC's except for a single bridge at Hororkhovatka (Prime HIMAR's target).


And UKR mechanized forces have apperantly crossed the T0514 bridge leading to Lyman.


From where I am sitting it appears IMO that RU command is lost. The battlefield situation is changing so rapidly that they are unable to adapt quickly enough to it and the UKR forces are making perfect use of that situation to take as much as they can as quickly as they can. Logically every Russian forces south of Kupiansk should pull across to the eastern bank of the Oskil and abandone Izium, They might with the forces and natural barrier allow them to hold the line, But that would be admitting defeat and so unlikely to occur.
 

Ananda

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Russia has already lost in Ukraine. A combination of massive Western support and an incredibly strong will in the whole population to fight against the intruders, combined with low morale and high level of corruption in the Russian military means that a Russian victory is simply not possible anymore. And this is even before Ukraine has received equipment like NASAMS / IRIS-T air defense systems, and long before delivery of F-16s to the Ukranian air force (which, according to the latest rumors, might happen during second half of 2023). And the massive training program in the UK has barely started...
Lost ? The southern offensive in Kherson is stalling right now. The Russian still making progress around Donbas Bakhmut front. The only offensive that Ukranian now take the initiative is that around Kharkiv-Izium front. Off course by that the West already Glee saying Russian collapsing.

This war still fluids and everything depends on reserves that still can be committed by both sides. Still fell free saying that everything collapsing for Russian based only on that front, forgetting how the much glorified Kherson offensive is appearing to be stalling.
 
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vikingatespam

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The RU forces in the Izyum area are supplied over 5 bridges, all within easy artillery distance (Senkove, Gorokhovatka, Oskil, Bukyne, Studenok ). The last of those is within mortar range of the UKR front in the south. The last 2 are within offensive reach of the UKR on the southern part. The first one is within short reach of the UKR near Prystin.
 

vonnoobie

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Lost ? The southern offensive in Kherson is stalling right now. The Russian still making progress around Donbas Bakhmut front. The only offensive that Ukranian now take the initiative is that around Kharkiv-Izium front. Off course by that the West already Glee saying Russian collapsing.

This war still fluids and everything depends on reserves that still can be committed by both sides. Still fell free saying that everything collapsing for Russian based only on that front, forgetting how the much glorified Kherson offensive is appearing to be stalling.
While I agree I wouldn't say Russia has lost yet and that everything is fluid there are two things I would point out

1. The Donbass Bakhmut front isn't making any real advances of note. It is for all intents operating at WW1 levels of advance and remains to be seen if they can continue such with the situation being what it is on the Kharkiv-Izium front.

2. While the southern counter offensive towards Kherson appears to have stalled it has achieved one useful unintended victory. It has for all intents isolated 20,000 or so troops and their equipment from being able to support the rest of the forces. They aren't in a position to make any major advances to try and relieve pressure on the Kharkiv-Izium front and they don't have the bridges to pull back and redeploy in quick order. It simply is a sizeable chunk of their forces that UKR command doesn't have to worry about so much
 

vonnoobie

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The RU forces in the Izyum area are supplied over 5 bridges, all within easy artillery distance (Senkove, Gorokhovatka, Oskil, Bukyne, Studenok ). The last of those is within mortar range of the UKR front in the south. The last 2 are within offensive reach of the UKR on the southern part. The first one is within short reach of the UKR near Prystin.
No at the moment it is quite possibly down to a two bridges as senkove may have already been taken as well as oskil. Would be safe to say if accurate izium will fall probably sooner rather than later.
 
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