It is very difficult or simply impossible to understand that one can be pro-Russian in this conflict in this forum.
What's your point puting that ? Have you read Ngati post before yours ? Everyone has their own opinion in this forum and what are you as new member try to put provocative statement like that in this forum ?very difficult or simply impossible to understand that one can be pro-Russian in this conflict in this forum.
This forum analyzes the military shaping of conflict by the parties to the conflict and their supporters. The cause of the conflict is not investigated here. The attitudes of the respective commentators regarding the perception of the topic differ from each other. The level of information is different, as well as the personal definition of ethics and morality.It is very difficult or simply impossible to understand that one can be pro-Russian in this conflict in this forum.
Atunga the problem is that you were specifically warned away from discussing certain conspiracy-theory level topics and immediately proceeded to do that. The issue is not your point of view, it's your quality of posts.@ngatimozart my life doesn’t depend on this, you have already banned me wrongly a few times, if you want to make it permanent your welcomed. I respect the mod here for their work on trying to keep the flow of information balanced and coordinated. Every partaker here has sympathy for one of the parties involved in this war.. some want Ukraine to win while some want Russia to win.. either way, this is a professional military site and the mod always state we should maintain discussions only to military events on the ground, which is perfect. So why ban me because my ideas are a bit different? So what? Any body who is pro Russia or who wants Russia to win is evil and those who want Ukraine to win are angels? Or is it the same problem we have in the world today where certain players are also referees and change the rules of the game when it’s not going their way? Cancelling me won’t change events on the ground..
Please avoid one-liners and simply posting videos. If you wish to discuss the contents of the video in question, the expectation is that you provide some input of your own to start the conversation.It is very difficult or simply impossible to understand that one can be pro-Russian in this conflict in this forum.
Have not heard of any actual public study, but I have not heard of there being reliable figures available to the public either. Given the number of accidents and incidents at various Russian arms and ordnance depots over the past ~11 years, it is quite possible that the amount of specific munitions available for deployment at the start of the present combat in Ukraine might be less than had been produced. One of the depots had held 75,000 tonnes of munitions prior to the incident, so it is distinctly possible that what Russia and/or the Soviet Union held built originally, might have been expended already.I've been hearing all around that "Russia's expending its guided munitions at a staggering rate", but is there an actual public study of the subject?
i.e comparing numbers and production rates pre-war with wartime.
I refer you to my earlier post and this specific part of it:It is very difficult or simply impossible to understand that one can be pro-Russian in this conflict in this forum.
Not a bad post, but yes will investigate causes of conflicts to a certain degree because no conflict starts spontaneously. I don't believe that the terms pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian are simplistic at all, because you have to call their supports something and dancing around that label is pure sophistry beholden of some in todays society. You are correct when you say "The attitudes of the respective commentators regarding the perception of the topic differ from each other. The level of information is different, as well as the personal definition of ethics and morality." The forum would be pretty boring if everyone thought the same; it would be a bit like Orwell's "group-thought" from 1984.This forum analyzes the military shaping of conflict by the parties to the conflict and their supporters. The cause of the conflict is not investigated here. The attitudes of the respective commentators regarding the perception of the topic differ from each other. The level of information is different, as well as the personal definition of ethics and morality.
For me personally, even the use of terms such as "pro-Russian" is a sign of simple-minded, same-same political propaganda - in other words, ridiculous. Whenever people start this "If you're not for me, you're against me!" crap, I'm definitely against these nutcases.
The UK Forces News recently posted a video postulating that the Russians have started using AShM such as the old KH-22, against land based targets because their stocks of PGM are running low. It is suggested that they are unable to keep PGM production rates anywhere near the PGM expenditure rate, but in reality no one knows because such information is a closely guarded secret; not just in Russia, but in every nation that produces PGM.I've been hearing all around that "Russia's expending its guided munitions at a staggering rate", but is there an actual public study of the subject?
i.e comparing numbers and production rates pre-war with wartime.
Blocked by paywall from NYT. I am curious to how any forces defend their munitions. Living as a casual civ observer during the 1st Gulf War and Enduring Freedom or even the long Afghanistan war I never heard of US ammo depots being blown up or neglected in this way. Perhaps this is due to the unique nature of this war, where both sides are keenly aware of operations of one another, and the relative tight battle sphere...Russia has in the past had serious problems with the safe storing of ammunition
Stupendous ammo dump explosion at Krasnoyarsk - Combat Mission Black Sea - Battlefront.com Community
Unplanned Explosions at Munitions Sites incidents in country formerly part of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact · Mapping Cultural Space Across Eurasia (harvard.edu)
But has also been accused of involvement in the destruction of N.A.T.O ammunition dumps
Village Caught in Czech-Russia Spy Case Just Wants Things to Stop Blowing Up - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
In the all of the two Gulf wars the US & Coalition forces had complete air superiority and Saddam's missiles were able to take out their logistics hubs. After Saddam's fall and capture it became a ground based war against irregular forces just like in Afghanistan with no SSM or air opposition. In the Ukrainian Russian War you have two nation - states in a near peer war, using all conventional weapons at their disposal across the air, ground, maritime, space, and cyber domains. it's a totally different war.Blocked by paywall from NYT. I am curious to how any forces defend their munitions. Living as a casual civ observer during the 1st Gulf War and Enduring Freedom or even the long Afghanistan war I never heard of US ammo depots being blown up or neglected in this way. Perhaps this is due to the unique nature of this war, where both sides are keenly aware of operations of one another, and the relative tight battle sphere...
Salisbury poisoning suspects 'linked to Czech blast' - BBC NewsBlocked by paywall from NYT. I am curious to how any forces defend their munitions. Living as a casual civ observer during the 1st Gulf War and Enduring Freedom or even the long Afghanistan war I never heard of US ammo depots being blown up or neglected in this way. Perhaps this is due to the unique nature of this war, where both sides are keenly aware of operations of one another, and the relative tight battle sphere...
No, not really because the likes of the KH-22 was specifically designed to counter USN carriers. The USN CVN threat hasn't disappeared so even though they will have developed and fielded more modern AShM, they will not have thrown out the KH-22 if it's still usable for its intended purpose. It does have that tad large warhead that would do significant damage to a CVN or any ship it managed to hit. The use of AShM against land targets suggests more a shortage of PGM than anything else. They won't be the only ones with that problem either and you can be sure that NATO and other militaries will be furiously restocking their supplies and ensuring that their suppliers are well and truly kept busy for the foreseeable future. The current chip shortage won't be helping matters much either.Is there a possibility that older anti ship missiles used on land based targets were used because they were considered unreliable and are being replaced by more advanced supersonic and hypersonic missiles?
I would think in addition to concealment; how vulnerable those dumps also depends on the quantity of ammo stored. Traditionally the Russians have long employed the "push" system in which consumables are sent to units based on usage rates without run its having to request for them. This of course was dependent on having adequate numbers of transports to deliver the consumables.There is a claim that Russia is firing up to 20000 shells a day according to an article in the Royal United Service Institute
This article suggests that the way Russia uses artillery requires large ammunition dumps that may be vulnerableIntroducing the West’s new weapon working overtime to tilt war in Kyiv’s favour
Russia is currently firing an estimated 20,000 artillery rounds a day compared to Ukraine’s 6,000 rounds, according to Ukrainian officials cited in a recent report by the Royal United Services Institute (Rusi).rusi.org
Well I can see that being a problem but they'll figure it out. They kinda have to don't they.I would think in addition to concealment; how vulnerable those dumps also depends on the quantity of ammo stored. Traditionally the Russians have long employed the "push" system in which consumables are sent to units based on usage rates without run its having to request for them. This of course was dependent on having adequate numbers of transports to deliver the consumables.
The article you posted mentioned something I've long wondered about. In addition to the various Cold War arty pieces they've long had; the Ukranians now have FH-70s,
M-777s, Casear and Panzerhaubitze. A logistical nightmare.
"The haphazard deliveries – partly the result of multiple well-meaning heads of state asking their armies what they can spare – has created what Mr Zagorodnyuk calls a “logistical nightmare” of separate training programmes and ammunition supply chains for different units"
As the KH-22 is liquid fueled, the Russians can probably keep them way longer than modern solid fuel ASHMs, which needs to be inspected regularly for degradation.No, not really because the likes of the KH-22 was specifically designed to counter USN carriers. The USN CVN threat hasn't disappeared so even though they will have developed and fielded more modern AShM, they will not have thrown out the KH-22 if it's still usable for its intended purpose. It does have that tad large warhead that would do significant damage to a CVN or any ship it managed to hit. The use of AShM against land targets suggests more a shortage of PGM than anything else. They won't be the only ones with that problem either and you can be sure that NATO and other militaries will be furiously restocking their supplies and ensuring that their suppliers are well and truly kept busy for the foreseeable future. The current chip shortage won't be helping matters much either.