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Ananda

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John Fedup said:
Hard to understand why such a valuable asset would have been destroyed by Russian forces and even harder to understand why it wasn’t flown to somewhere in Europe.
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Good luck for Antonov try to claim rebuild that plane with Russian money. The Russian (it is on one of Feanor war info in other thread), claim the Ukrainian artillery that destroy the AN-235 hangar.

Whatever the result after this episode close, the fate of Antonov as viable aircraft manufacturing company will be very hard to revive. Even before due to lack of capital from beginning, they're already hard press to come out with anything new and competitive. They already try to get more capital from abroad with various JV schemes with Saudi, Turkey and other potential partner. So far none provide smooth partnership and bring new capital as they hope on.

The cold war 2.0 between West and Russia already fully kick in. Whether after this Ukraine will back to Russian circles, become neutral, or miracle happens and Ukraine stay with the West, will not going bode well for Antonov future. It's already a dire Aircraft manufacturing company what ever the results will come.

At best it will relegated to supporting role on other aircraft company projects.
 
John Fedup

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Ananda said:
Good luck for Antonov try to claim rebuild that plane with Russian money. The Russian (it is on one of Feanor war info in other thread), claim the Ukrainian artillery that destroy the AN-235 hangar.

Whatever the result after this episode close, the fate of Antonov as viable aircraft manufacturing company will be very hard to revive. Even before due to lack of capital from beginning, they're already hard press to come out with anything new and competitive. They already try to get more capital from abroad with various JV schemes with Saudi, Turkey and other potential partner. So far none provide smooth partnership and bring new capital as they hope on.

The cold war 2.0 between West and Russia already fully kick in. Whether after this Ukraine will back to Russian circles, become neutral, or miracle happens and Ukraine stay with the West, will not going bode well for Antonov future. It's already a dire Aircraft manufacturing company what ever the results will come.

At best it will relegated to supporting role on other aircraft company projects.
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Antonov likely will be hard pressed to survive. No war and and Chinese interest/money might have been a potential path forward but that’s off the table now. I guess the case for a Gen 2 An-124 with western engines and avionics wasn’t marketable to the air freight industry.
 
Ananda

Ananda

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John Fedup said:
I guess the case for a Gen 2 An-124 with western engines and avionics wasn’t marketable to the air freight industry.
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It's an aircraft for niche market cargo. Thus will not be providing competitive edge toward regular freighter that's being build or converted from regular commercial Airliners.

That's the problem with Antonov, their design based for niche market function. Whether military or special cargo. Playing in that market will not gain much volume, and need to be gain enough order for both market.

After Ukraine fall out with Russia in 2014, Antonov completely lost Russian military market, and they can't replace that with other Military market. While the special cargo needs not providing enough attraction for new AN-124 let alone AN-235. This on top the condition that Antonov is not an efficient Aircraft Company to begin with.

In paper there will be attraction for AN-124 NG with more efficient engine and better avionics or cargo handling to reduce the crew. However can Antonov create enough order for special cargo market to justifies further Investment ?

They try to attract Chinese money on that project. However after this, even China will be careful to Invest on a aviation project with Western components on that. So whatever the result after this, it will be hard for Antonov to gain Investment needed for that project, on both commercial and Political reasons.
 
Sandhi Yudha

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Ananda said:
It's an aircraft for niche market cargo. Thus will not be providing competitive edge toward regular freighter that's being build or converted from regular commercial Airliners.

That's the problem with Antonov, their design based for niche market function. Whether military or special cargo. Playing in that market will not gain much volume, and need to be gain enough order for both market.

After Ukraine fall out with Russia in 2014, Antonov completely lost Russian military market, and they can't replace that with other Military market. While the special cargo needs not providing enough attraction for new AN-124 let alone AN-235. This on top the condition that Antonov is not an efficient Aircraft Company to begin with.

In paper there will be attraction for AN-124 NG with more efficient engine and better avionics or cargo handling to reduce the crew. However can Antonov create enough order for special cargo market to justifies further Investment ?

They try to attract Chinese money on that project. However after this, even China will be careful to Invest on a aviation project with Western components on that. So whatever the result after this, it will be hard for Antonov to gain Investment needed for that project, on both commercial and Political reasons.
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AN-235....sounds like a gunship version of the CN235. :-D

But its indeed sad that the one and only An-225 is gone forever, the largest operational aircraft and heaviest aircraft ever. And the second An-225 is/was a large unfinished piece of metal for decades, without hope for any chance of completion.

The An-70 project is a failure, and the An-140 is so unreliable, ot many airlines want to use it.

The 'best' thing what can happen is that china buy the company with all its IP, designs, knowledge and expertise, and then being allowed to build for china.
 
Ananda

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Upps..bad typo my bad :D..Perhaps AN-235 will be the claim new AN-225 replacement that Antonov seems 'dreaming' Russia will pay.

Sandhi Yudha said:
best' thing what can happen is that china buy the company with all its IP, designs, knowledge and expertise, and then being allowed to build for china
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Yes, and by that time Antonov will be relegated toward supporting other Aircraft Company project, and not main contractor anymore. Better to sell Antonov to AVIC and become part of Xian.

China so far the only one who has enough capital and ambition for something larger then their Xian Y-20.
 
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Sandhi Yudha

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Yes.
According to cnnindonesia, the Ukrainian government claims that although tge An-225 is completely destroyed, they will rebuild it totally. I have the feeling thats quite unlikely and unrealistic.
www.cnnindonesia.com

VIDEO: Mriya, Pesawat Terbesar Dunia Korban Invasi Rusia ke Ukraina

Pesawat terbesar di dunia, Antonov AN-225, dilaporkan jadi 'korban' invasi Rusia ke Ukraina.
www.cnnindonesia.com www.cnnindonesia.com

They only show a satellite image from a damaged hangar complex, but no signs of An-225.
 
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It is Tit for Tat thinking I believe, Putin will confescate everything that West has in Russia. In exchange with everything that Russia has in West that now being freeze and confescate.

Including their Central Bank foreign reserve and the Oligarchs assets.
 
Sandhi Yudha

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This can be caused by distraction, fatigue, time pressure, miscommunication, expecting that someone else already did it or a combination of all these factors.
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=3331665800439748&id=1580734692199543

www.flightglobal.com

Communications, coordination lapses saw A330 take off with pitot tubes covered

An Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) investigation into an airspeed indication failure during the take-off of a Malaysia Airlines A330-300 has led to several safety changes.
www.flightglobal.com www.flightglobal.com


|"A support engineer placed the covers after the aircraft parked the gate following a flight from KL, but a miscommunication meant that the carrier’s certifying engineer did not initially know about them.

Covers on pitot tubes are required at Brisbane owing to the presence of mud wasps in the area. The wasps have a habit of stuffing mud and other debris, such as dead insects, into pitot tubes."|

During normal transits (disembarking passengers, unloading the luggage and cargo, refueling, cleaning, water+lavatory service, loading and embarking) placing ground lock pins and pitot tube covers are not required. But it seems in Brisbane they have problem with mudwasps. I don't know if this was a normal transit, a long transit (on the ground for some hours) or an overnight stay/RON. Maybe the technician and flightcrew of the departing flight do not know anything about the mudwasps in Brisbane.
 
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Ananda

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simpleflying.com

EASA Revokes Certification Of The Sukhoi SSJ100 & Other Russian Jets

EASA takes action to remove aircraft types but Russia makes up its own rules to get around it.
simpleflying.com simpleflying.com

This EASA action clearly political in nature. Eventhough it is very understandable on current Geopolitical condition, however this is potentially will create credibility issue for EASA on their decision that suposedly should based only on safety issue.

Question will be on Chinese and Russia JV CR929 (the suposedly 787 and A330 competitors). Will EASA or FAA going to give license ? Will Trade War going to involve China ?

For one thing China need Russia in CR929, especialy on Engine. US already push Ukraine when China try to take over Motor Sich, thus put back China own version of indegenous Turbofan. Turbofan still one of China weakness, while Russian PD-35 is already much entry on that range commercial Turbofan. Russia after this will rely much more for China on Airliners JV for Capital and Market.

However this action by EASA will potentially raise question on other non western market that ussually take a cue from FAA and EASA for their own licensing. Will other non western market later on see EASA or FAA as relative impartial Aerospace Safety agencies, as in present time ?
 
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John Fedup

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Ananda said:
simpleflying.com

EASA Revokes Certification Of The Sukhoi SSJ100 & Other Russian Jets

EASA takes action to remove aircraft types but Russia makes up its own rules to get around it.
simpleflying.com simpleflying.com

This EASA action clearly political in nature. Eventhough it is very understandable on current Geopolitical condition, however this is potentially will create credibility issue for EASA on their decision that suposedly should based only on safety issue.

Question will be on Chinese and Russia JV CR929 (the suposedly 787 and A330 competitors). Will EASA or FAA going to give license ? Will Trade War going to involve China ?

For one thing China need Russia in CR929, especialy on Engine. US already push Ukraine when China try to take over Motor Sich, thus put back China own version of indegenous Turbofan. Turbofan still one of China weakness, while Russian PD-35 is already much entry on thar range commercial Turbofan. Russia after this will rely much more for China on Airliners JV for Capital and Market.

However this action by EASA will potentially raise question on other non western market that ussually take a cue from FAA and EASA for their own licensing. Will other non western market later on see EASA or FAA as impartial Aerospace Safety agencies ?
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After the MAX fiasco, the FAA isn’t looking so good anyway.
 
Sandhi Yudha

Sandhi Yudha

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Ananda said:
simpleflying.com

EASA Revokes Certification Of The Sukhoi SSJ100 & Other Russian Jets

EASA takes action to remove aircraft types but Russia makes up its own rules to get around it.
simpleflying.com simpleflying.com

This EASA action clearly political in nature. Eventhough it is very understandable on current Geopolitical condition, however this is potentially will create credibility issue for EASA on their decision that suposedly should based only on safety issue.

Question will be on Chinese and Russia JV CR929 (the suposedly 787 and A330 competitors). Will EASA or FAA going to give license ? Will Trade War going to involve China ?

For one thing China need Russia in CR929, especialy on Engine. US already push Ukraine when China try to take over Motor Sich, thus put back China own version of indegenous Turbofan. Turbofan still one of China weakness, while Russian PD-35 is already much entry on that range commercial Turbofan. Russia after this will rely much more for China on Airliners JV for Capital and Market.

However this action by EASA will potentially raise question on other non western market that ussually take a cue from FAA and EASA for their own licensing. Will other non western market later on see EASA or FAA as relative impartial Aerospace Safety agencies, as in present time ?
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It is sad and childish that even sport and aviation agencies are now used for politics.



Some sad news.

A Boeing 737-800 from China Eastern Airlines is crashed in the Chinese provincie Guangxi.

Not much is known yet about this disaster, but the registration seems to be B-1791 with 133 people on board.
www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl

Boeing 737 van China Eastern Airlines verongelukt in zuidelijk China

WUZHOU - In het zuiden van China is maandag een Boeing 737-800 van China Eastern Airlines verongelukt. Vlucht MU5735 was met 132 inzittenden onderweg van Kunming naar Guangzhou, toen het vliegtuig ten zuidoosten van de stad Wuzhou in de regio Guangxi van de radar verdween.
www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl

nos.nl

Vliegtuigongeluk in China, 'toestel met neus omlaag neergestort'

De reddingswerkzaamheden worden bemoeilijkt door de onherbergzame plek waar het vliegtuig terechtgekomen is.
nos.nl nos.nl

www.bbc.com

China Eastern: Plane carrying 132 people crashes in Guangxi hills

The Boeing 737 crashed into a hillside in southern China and there are fears no-one survived.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
 
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