The Royal Navy Discussions and Updates
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No need for the attitude. Not everyone keeps uptodate on everything right across the board. I for instance wasn't aware of it until I saw the post.
overlander
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Mate, say it to the publisher. ukdefencejournal not to me. Please take a pill to relax yourself . Thanks.
Noting a Mod had intervened this was unnecessary.
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That's an interesting development as it seems to indicate the refits for the 23's would be by a British yard I think ?
Bit like giving someone a safety razor. And the blades ? Ah, well, here's a thing...
...& in more news about the size & shape of the Royal Navy....
HMS Blyth & Ramsey paid off....
Royal Navy website - News section
HMS Blyth & Ramsey paid off....
Royal Navy website - News section
One way to solve the personnel shortages I guess - have less ships?
I don't even think we have an MCM replacement on the horizon either.
FormerDirtDart
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That does seem to be the current plan.
Does also seem to mean additional taskings for the RN frigates. Those much touted "mission bays" are going to filled with so much stuff their flexibility is going to be a bit limited, IMO.
Unmanned Systems Set to Replace All Royal Navy Mine Warfare Vessels
The UKs sweeping integrated defense review proposes deep changes to the structure of the nations arm...
www.maritime-executive.com
France bought a similar system (not the same company) a while ago.
They plan to operate it for local minesweeping survey only from Brest and Toulon harbour for the next couple years until new "mothership" MCM vessels are procured as part fo the nominally joint British-French MCM project. With these new motherships it is planned to add about two more of these unmanned systems for either port, then deployable.
Not sure if the RN plans to procure similar motherships, or if they're so far only in the joint project for the concept. If they don't buy any then those USVs are limited to similar port-based operations pretty much restricted to British national waters. To be fair "until then" the RN does still have similar requirements for a local minesweeping survey system as France, with Faslane instead of Brest and Portsmouth instead of Toulon.
Redlands18
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That does seem to be the current plan.
Does also seem to mean additional taskings for the RN frigates. Those much touted "mission bays" are going to filled with so much stuff their flexibility is going to be a bit limited, IMO.
Unmanned Systems Set to Replace All Royal Navy Mine Warfare Vessels
The UKs sweeping integrated defense review proposes deep changes to the structure of the nations arm...
Royal Navy’s future Type 32 frigate to be ‘platform for autonomous systems'
More details have emerged today about the Royal Navy’s future Type 32 Frigate, with the UK’s Minister for Defence Procurement Jeremy Quinn writing that the ships will be a platform for autonomous systems.
FormerDirtDart
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Yeah, why don't you get back with me when there is an actual "Type 32 Frigate" RN procurement program. Because there isn't one now that I am aware of. As of three months ago wasn't Type 32 still in the "determining the operational concept of the program" phase?Isn’t operating Autonomous Systems going to be the job of the Type 32 Frigates?Royal Navy’s future Type 32 frigate to be ‘platform for autonomous systems'
More details have emerged today about the Royal Navy’s future Type 32 Frigate, with the UK’s Minister for Defence Procurement Jeremy Quinn writing that the ships will be a platform for autonomous systems.www.naval-technology.com
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This may come across with a bit more bite than was intended. Sometimes my smartass from NYC sarcastic response mode kicks in dialed all the way up to "11"
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Redlands18
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Well as you said the RN is not going to have enough Frigates to be able to use them in the MCMV role as well as the more traditional Escort roles, yes i was probably a bit premature in saying going to be,
It gets back to the original post concerning the fact that the RN is getting rid of the Sandown Class and replacing it with Autonomous systems but they need a Mothership to be truly effective, the only Vessel announced so far under any sort of development for the RN for operating Autonomous systems are the Frigates. Yes they may be able to use the OPVs but they only have 8.
The RN needs to invest in Motherships capable of deploying MCM Drones, whether that is the Type 32 or a smaller Vessel more specialised for the role we will just have to wait and see.
I rather suspect the intent with T32 is for surveillance in offshore areas in such things as ASW; and possibly control of minimum or un manned weapons platforms as for the USN concept. They really need to invest in a smallish platform with only self defence armament and the capacity to go inshore for the MCM task, a bit like the RAN is looking to do with a similar concept and using the follow on 8 Arafuras.
FormerDirtDart
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You are essentially describing the future Belgian/Netherlands MCM mothership
82m, 2,500 tons displacement, 30 crew w/accommodations double that, supports 2 USV, Bofors 40m main gun and a number of RWS machine guns, and UAV hanger space for 2 Saab Skeldar (basically Camcopter class helo)
This is what the Future Belgian & Dutch MCM Motherships will Look Like - Naval News
The Belgian Ministry of Defense recently contracted the consortium Belgian Naval & Robotics (formed by Naval Group & ECA Group) to supply 12 vessels and associated equipment to the Belgian and Dutch Navies. Naval Group shared some detailed images of the future vessels with us. Here is what can...
www.navalnews.com
Fair commentary I feel - Type 32 is a placeholder - and I already suspect it'd just be a batch 2 Type31 order in all but name. I may be wrong however
John Fedup
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A better fantasy would be more T26s.Fair commentary I feel - Type 32 is a placeholder - and I already suspect it'd just be a batch 2 Type31 order in all but name. I may be wrong however
I'm sure i've seen somewhere, possibly even within this thread or a link on one of the pages since the beginning of July, that 2022 will be the EARLIEST that any decision will be made on Batch 2, Type 26...A better fantasy would be more T26s.