Huawei

[ngatimozart]

The Chicoms are somewhat displeased with little old NZ over Huawei being identified as a significant security risk by the GCSB. Said telecom company spat the dummy and went public creating subsequent media dung storm.

NZ-China 'scheduling issues' cause for concern

However it is about time NZ raised itself upon on it's hind legs, shook it's woolly fore hoof and stood up to the PRC with regard to their recent behaviour on the international stage.

 

[John Fedup]

As mentioned in this article, 5G and AI will greatly influence the future battlespace. This is all the more reason to get Huawei out of Western network infrastructure.

https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2019/03/23/5g_and_battlespace_dominance_114276.html

 

[regstrup]

Denmark just choose Ericsson over Huawei to deliver 5G network even though Huawei have faster 5G technology out of security reasons.

But it makes you think, what the Chinese will be able to do in the future, when they already now have faster 5G technology. China is fast becoming a technological super power.

 

[John Fedup]

Well done Denmark! Agree, the rapid technology advances of China will present some real challenges for the West in the future. Although much is made about Chinese espionage and outright theft of IP, lets not forget about all the Western corporations falling over themselves to get marketshare in China by agreeing to local manufacturing and technology sharing. These same companies will be crying the loudest for tariffs when Chinese competitors start to eat their lunch.

 

[ngatimozart]

Denmark just choose Ericsson over Huawei to deliver 5G network even though Huawei have faster 5G technology out of security reasons.

But it makes you think, what the Chinese will be able to do in the future, when they already now have faster 5G technology. China is fast becoming a technological super power.

@regstrup Can you post a source / link for this please.

 

[John Fedup]

This article criticizes the UK’s stance on 5G with respect to Huawei. One point it fails to mention is Canada’s situation which isn’t much better from a 5eyes perspective. Canadian telecom companies have about a billion dollars of Huawei technology and the Canadian government has come come down on Huawei yet despite additional incentive to do so by recent Chinese government actions.

https://www.realcleardefense.com/ar...its_five_eyes_partnership_over_5g_114279.html

 

[regstrup]

@regstrup Can you post a source / link for this please.

I read it on a Danish newssite, which was in Danish, but I have also found this press release in English on Ericssons own homepage:

TDC selects Ericsson for 5G and Ericsson Operations Engine managed services

 

[ngatimozart]

I read it on a Danish newssite, which was in Danish, but I have also found this press release in English on Ericssons own homepage:

TDC selects Ericsson for 5G and Ericsson Operations Engine managed services

Thanks.

 

[ngatimozart]

This article criticizes the UK’s stance on 5G with respect to Huawei. One point it fails to mention is Canada’s situation which isn’t much better from a 5eyes perspective. Canadian telecom companies have about a billion dollars of Huawei technology and the Canadian government has come come down on Huawei yet despite additional incentive to do so by recent Chinese government actions.

https://www.realcleardefense.com/ar...its_five_eyes_partnership_over_5g_114279.html

You just have to shake your head and wonder at whats going on inside the pommy pollie and civil service heads; this, BREXIT, defence acquisition fubars in last 10 years, etc., etc., etc. Sometimes I think that its a script right out of Monty Python, Blackadder, Yes Minister / Yes Prime Minister, or The Young Ones.

 

[John Fedup]

Sadly there’s a real disconnect. This is sort of expected from the pollies but the performance of the bureaucracy senior players is appalling. I fear there will be difficult times ahead for the UK.

 

[KiwiRob]

Sadly there’s a real disconnect. This is sort of expected from the pollies but the performance of the bureaucracy senior players is appalling. I fear there will be difficult times ahead for the UK.

Do you really think HPE, Intel and Qualcom who also supply 5g infrastructure aren't providing back doors into there equipment for the US govt to use??

This is hypocritical in the extreme. I'd feel much better/safer sticking with Nokia or Ericsson.

 

[John Fedup]

No doubt that is the case but the US Congress puts some restrictions on what the US Intel community can do with these back doors. This isn’t the case in Xi’s regime. Furthermore, from the other members of 5eyes perspective, the main cyber threat is China down the road not the US. At present, Russia is likely the most aggressive threat.

 

[seaspear]

Russia and China are engaged in cyber warfare against other countries ,China through its state media has suggested economic repercussions against Australia for action against Huawei ,certainly Chinese students in foreign universities can come under pressure to engage in information gathering activities

 

[John Fedup]

Russia and China are engaged in cyber warfare against other countries ,China through its state media has suggested economic repercussions against Australia for action against Huawei ,certainly Chinese students in foreign universities can come under pressure to engage in information gathering activities

Information gathering, no need, it is more like delivery agents brining back all the stuff we stupidly give to them. The West gave the Arabs vast amounts of cash for oil and now vast amounts of IP to China for inexpensive consumer goods. Transferring treasure to our adversaries, what could possibly go wrong?

 

[KiwiRob]

No doubt that is the case but the US Congress puts some restrictions on what the US Intel community can do with these back doors. This isn’t the case in Xi’s regime. Furthermore, from the other members of 5eyes perspective, the main cyber threat is China down the road not the US. At present, Russia is likely the most aggressive threat.

We know from wikileaks and other whistleblowers that the US spies on everyone all over the world regardless of supposed restrictions placed on them by congress, as an example they were tapping Merkel's phones, so those restrictions aren't very strong or effective. My personal opinion is the US is a far bigger threat to the world's stability than everyone else combined, it's the American first damn everyone else attitude and there abuse of the extraterritorial sanctions that is a massively destabilising.

Russia and China are engaged in cyber warfare against other countries ,China through its state media has suggested economic repercussions against Australia for action against Huawei ,certainly Chinese students in foreign universities can come under pressure to engage in information gathering activities

Do you honestly believe the US also isn't involved in cyber warfare, whatever the Chinese and Russia are doing the US are doing, if you think otherwise you're incredibly naive.

 

[ngatimozart]

People please be careful as you are beginning to stand into dangerous waters, i.e., politics that don't relate to defence.

 

[John Fedup]

Yet another article expressing concerns about Huawei wrt 5eyes. Although concerns about Huawei technology in U.K. systems are mentioned, there is zero comment about Canada's use of Huawei nor even comment on junior's intentions wrt Huawei. Maybe the authors think he will n
be gone in October.

Five Eyes Must Lead on 5G - War on the Rocks

 

[ngatimozart]

Yet another article expressing concerns about Huawei wrt 5eyes. Although concerns about Huawei technology in U.K. systems are mentioned, there is zero comment about Canada's use of Huawei nor even comment on junior's intentions wrt Huawei. Maybe the authors think he will n
be gone in October.

Five Eyes Must Lead on 5G - War on the Rocks

Read that. Apparently there is now a witch hunt on in Whitehall for the peasant who leaked the info from the secret committee meeting about the Huawei 5G decision discussion. They are stacking faggots of dry wood soaked in perfumed oil next to a metal stake in the courtyard for the ritual burning. Seriously though that leak is a serious breach of security and that along with any pommy decision to allow Huawei to have any participation in their 5G network build or management etc., should be a very serious concern for the other FEYES partners.

 

[John Fedup]

Unfortunately this pommy decision is providing an easier pathway for junior to appease China IMO. Sometimes leaks are the only means to correct things and both the CDN and UK cabinets have them...perhaps not quite as many as another unmentionable place.

 

[seaspear]

We know from wikileaks and other whistleblowers that the US spies on everyone all over the world regardless of supposed restrictions placed on them by congress, as an example they were tapping Merkel's phones, so those restrictions aren't very strong or effective. My personal opinion is the US is a far bigger threat to the world's stability than everyone else combined, it's the American first damn everyone else attitude and there abuse of the extraterritorial sanctions that is a massively destabilising.



Do you honestly believe the US also isn't involved in cyber warfare, whatever the Chinese and Russia are doing the US are doing, if you think otherwise you're incredibly naive.

I dont believe I am naive in this countries including Australia have gathered intelligence on their allies ,I can recall a defence scientist almost twenty years ago involved in the Wedgetail development telling me that Australia had no secrets from the U.S ,Kim Beazeley in parliament admitted to having had to use other methods to get source codes of the then Hornets that were not being supplied.
This is a long way different from an organised state run apparatus that engages in wholesale intelligence gathering and cyber warfare on civilian and military facilities alike ,and employs 24/7 troll factories