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John Fedup

John Fedup

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parvas24 said:
Just curious about the turnaround time for fighter jets to land get quick service and take off during wartime.
Gripes Ng for instance has 10 mins turnaround time.
Anybody knows for other jets like F35, F16, F/A 18, Rafale, Ef typhoon, SU30mki, Chinese jets, Mig 29, F22.
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Ten minutes for rearming, refueling, and quick checkout seems too short for any fast jet, especially carrier jets like the F-18, Rafale, and F-35C.
 
Haavarla

Haavarla

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An interesting report on the SAP EW wingtip pods on Sukhoi's.

EXCLUSIVE: How A Secretive DRDO Lab Is Saving The IAF Su-30MKI | Livefist

It basicly says, those Russian SAP pods was not entire compatible with the onboard MKI EW systems.
The pods was also too heavy for the IAF taste. Degrading the performance of the jet.

Edit:
The report also mention the reluctance of Russia in sharing software codes with India.
I think this is a little unfair. Why should Russia be any better vs US and UK F-35 program?

If India request codes from Russia, it has to be done under a stand alone contract deal.
In short, if any sharing can be done at all, it would include serious amount of $$$ changing hands through a contract.

Its the same issue with PakFa and FGFA program between Russia and India.
There is a limit to how much Russia want to share.
Russias own R/D pool is through their own workshops and their their own ingenuety, funding and research effort. You just don't give it away.
 
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the concerned

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Is pushing for another single engine fighter the way to go . How about the Indian air force looking at the Su-34 giving that the interdiction role then retasking the Su-30's towards air defence
 
Haavarla

Haavarla

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the concerned said:
Is pushing for another single engine fighter the way to go . How about the Indian air force looking at the Su-34 giving that the interdiction role then retasking the Su-30's towards air defence
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Well I would order Su-34 for Brahmos strike role as well as ane Jammer support role.

That way you would not need to upgrade MKI fleet for Brahmos
 
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colay1

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Russia has been pushing hard for India to commit to the joint development and purchase of the PAK FA for some years now to no avail. After the IAF got a closer look at the Russian offer, they came out with a long laundry list of deficiencies which the Russians either brushed off as inconsequential or already remedied.
Now it appears that the IAF no longer think it's worth pursuing due to serious technological flaws.

China recently declared the J-20 operational so the capability gap with their rival has widened. Hopefully the IG decides soon on which single-engine jet to acquire ie. Gripen or Viper to go along with their Flankers and Rafales but may have to rethink next generation fighter strategy.

https://www.defensenews.com/air/201...rce-wants-out-of-fighter-program-with-russia/
 
John Fedup

John Fedup

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The road to redemption for Canadian military procurement would be obtaining this last jet for the RCAF. As that won't happen, I wonder which current user will get it. Hopefully it not be wasted somewhere in the Gulf.
 
John Fedup

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FORBIN

FORBIN

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PICTURE: LCA Navy conducts arresting hook test
  • 03 August, 2018
  • SOURCE: FlightGlobal.com
  • BY: Greg Waldron
  • Singapore
The Hindustan Aeronautics LCA Navy fighter has passed a milestone with the engagement of an arresting hook in taxi tests.

The work involved LCA Naval Prototype 2 contacting an arresting wire with the aircraft moving at “moderate taxi-in speeds,” says HAL.

HAL says that this is the first of several tests at INS Goa that will develop the type’s arrestor hook capability.

“Carrier compatibility trials (CCT) of naval aircraft are slated to be carried out at shore-based test facilities built at Indian Naval Base Goa,” says HAL. “CCT involves completion of extensive shore-based trials before embarking on an actual deck. This trial is the stepping stone towards completion of CCT trials of LCA Navy.”

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PICTURE: LCA Navy conducts arresting hook test
 
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Air Force Brat

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FORBIN said:
PICTURE: LCA Navy conducts arresting hook test
  • 03 August, 2018
  • SOURCE: FlightGlobal.com
  • BY: Greg Waldron
  • Singapore
The Hindustan Aeronautics LCA Navy fighter has passed a milestone with the engagement of an arresting hook in taxi tests.

The work involved LCA Naval Prototype 2 contacting an arresting wire with the aircraft moving at “moderate taxi-in speeds,” says HAL.

HAL says that this is the first of several tests at INS Goa that will develop the type’s arrestor hook capability.

“Carrier compatibility trials (CCT) of naval aircraft are slated to be carried out at shore-based test facilities built at Indian Naval Base Goa,” says HAL. “CCT involves completion of extensive shore-based trials before embarking on an actual deck. This trial is the stepping stone towards completion of CCT trials of LCA Navy.”

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PICTURE: LCA Navy conducts arresting hook test
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moderate taxi-in speeds, but a hook up, nonetheless! LOL
 
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Rob c

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John Fedup said:
Ten minutes for rearming, refueling, and quick checkout seems too short for any fast jet, especially carrier jets like the F-18, Rafale, and F-35C.
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In the early 80's we use to do a hot refuel and rearm on the skyhawks at 75 sqn RNZAF in 10 to 15 min from brakes on to rolling again. This involved a different way of doing things as the engine kept running, the pilot stayed strapped in, the aircraft was refueled through the AAR refueling probe and the weapons came in from the front. Apart from a quick visual look for leaks, no servicing was carried out. It required training, good coordination and team work and awareness as there are a lot of areas that can hurt you if you are careless from the hot areas to explosive cartridges in the pylons and the big sucky things (air intakes ) on the sides. Fuel intake was limited to the internal fuel as external tanks could not be refueled from the probe. In aircraft with a large fuel load, the refueling alone would take a lot longer than 10 minutes and a normal start up procedure would also take longer than 10 min.
 
FORBIN

FORBIN

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Rob c said:
In the early 80's we use to do a hot refuel and rearm on the skyhawks at 75 sqn RNZAF in 10 to 15 min from brakes on to rolling again. This involved a different way of doing things as the engine kept running, the pilot stayed strapped in, the aircraft was refueled through the AAR refueling probe and the weapons came in from the front. Apart from a quick visual look for leaks, no servicing was carried out. It required training, good coordination and team work and awareness as there are a lot of areas that can hurt you if you are careless from the hot areas to explosive cartridges in the pylons and the big sucky things (air intakes ) on the sides. Fuel intake was limited to the internal fuel as external tanks could not be refueled from the probe. In aircraft with a large fuel load, the refueling alone would take a lot longer than 10 minutes and a normal start up procedure would also take longer than 10 min.
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The Scooter :)

Brazil have the last former Kuwaitis

Damage RNZAF don't have buy some fighters, a flight second hand F-16s by example !
 
FORBIN

FORBIN

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Air Force Brat said:
I believe that we had pictures somewhere of the LCA departing the land based "Ramp"?? see if you can run those down Mr. Forbin?

also it seems that the Indians are done with the SU-57 and would like to purchase the F-35??
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The " Ramp " is here right now for Mig-29K Dabolim the 2 Sqns are there ;)
15°22'43.82"N 73°49'46.02"E
 
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ngatimozart said:
Could you please enlighten us?
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I was thinking that a year of so ago we saw the Indians fly the LCA prototype off a ramp, in fact it was probably two or three years ago? this comment grew out of a discussion on our sister forum SDF about the L-15 being the new trainer for the PLANAF, I rather doubt it will ever operate off the ramp on the carrier, nor does it have a hook to my knowledge?

anyhow, I believe I remember being shocked to see LCA prototype flown off the land based ramp,,, of course Mr. Forbin, I'm not surprised they operate the Mig 29K off the ramp
 
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