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swerve

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RIP to three of them. Not the fat-bellied bearded bloke who was shot dead by police after killing two passers by & a policeman, & injuring about 20 people who just happened to be there. I hope there's a hell for him.
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DaveS124

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The Brits have done really well with the spray-on. Hits all the marks - and a few more - that US Thermion does, yet (so far as can be told) is only a third of the price.

In due course it should be an easy sell to the Italians when they refit Cavour and, evidently, their new (post 2022) LHD for F-35Bs.
 
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t68

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The Ocean has been offered to Brazil.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/hms-ocean-reportedly-offered-sale-brazil/

I am not sure I would be that keen to buy her. It was only intended to serve 20 years and that was 20 years ago. Still if the price is right it might be a good buy for the Brazilians as a replacement for it recently decommissioned carrier.
Well considering the 1942 Design Light Fleet Carrier was only supposed to last a few years and was designed so the could be built in yards with no military construction methods,and some of those lasted well into 30odd years service life. And depending on how much money the brazilians want to throw at her she may well last another 15-20 years.
 

Volkodav

The Bunker Group
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Well considering the 1942 Design Light Fleet Carrier was only supposed to last a few years and was designed so the could be built in yards with no military construction methods,and some of those lasted well into 30odd years service life. And depending on how much money the brazilians want to throw at her she may well last another 15-20 years.
The difference is Ocean, as well as the Invincibles, and the Colossus and Majestics, is they were designed using finite element analysis and as such has far less magin for error designed into them. She was designed to do a specific job for a specific period with no margin for major upgrades or life extensions, the only reason the Invincibles, and Type 23s for that matter, were able to serve for so long is because they didn't spend most of their service in the North Atlantic hunting soviet submarines as expected, but rather in more temperate climates showing the flag and the occasional warm war.
 

StobieWan

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The difference is Ocean, as well as the Invincibles, and the Colossus and Majestics, is they were designed using finite element analysis and as such has far less magin for error designed into them. She was designed to do a specific job for a specific period with no margin for major upgrades or life extensions, the only reason the Invincibles, and Type 23s for that matter, were able to serve for so long is because they didn't spend most of their service in the North Atlantic hunting soviet submarines as expected, but rather in more temperate climates showing the flag and the occasional warm war.
She'd still be way less trouble to keep running than the outgoing carrier and if they just intend to run up and down the coast every other month, that's very doable. She's not long out of a fairly extensive refit so while I take your point that Ocean is basically a cheap tin shed, it might suit them for their purposes.
 

the concerned

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Do any of you think it would have been an idea to have kept some of the lynx helicopters maybe took some of the mission equipment out and used them on the patrol ships
 

StobieWan

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Nope. Multiple types in a fleet are an expensive way to do business, spares chain, maintenance training, pilot training, the list goes on.
 

StobieWan

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Yeah - bit surprising as everyone thought they'd be a shoe-in for an ontime delivery, Korea, yeah, Korea..etc.

What was it, spec, fit and finish or snagging?
 

Volkodav

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Yeah - bit surprising as everyone thought they'd be a shoe-in for an ontime delivery, Korea, yeah, Korea..etc.

What was it, spec, fit and finish or snagging?
Well not really, a few (gf and Alex from memory) have been saying on here for years that there's nothing special about South Korean shipyards, its just that they had sufficient orders for comparatively simple ships, bulk carriers, oil tankers etc. due to competitive wages at the time, to pump out enough hulls to benefit from the economy of scale and stay on the downward leg of the learning curve. Throw in a ship intended for a more sophisticated customer that has a couple of design changes and they are back with the rest of the pack with cost and schedule issues.
 

gf0012-aust

Grumpy Old Man
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not intending to denigrate the sth koreans as they do some special stuff and aren't dills by any means, but when you're building IKEA ships, then the song from the Lego movie springs to mind.

ie "everything is awesome" :)
 
With the UK now going to the polls and thus unable to announce any large procurement programs will this affect the type 26?
Are any other programs going to be disrupted because the government is unable to sign new contracts at this time?
 
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