Help needed: current use of T-34's

F-15 Eagle

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They use MiG-17s and MiG-19s because they probably can't replace them with anything more modern.
They can do what everyone else does and buy new Su-30s from Russia, I'm sure they will sell them after all they let Iran buy them why not North Korea?

One question I would like to ask you, if around 85% of their artillery is massed around the DMZ and at condition red how does ROK handle this without getting their capital wiped off the face of the earth. Also who ever stated that their active military recieves one meal a day.
The ROK has a very powerful air force and their army has much better tanks and artillery. Not as big in numbers but much more advanced and modern. Plus I doubt more than 10% of their artillery is operational at any given time and those are out dated from the late 50s and early 60s.
 

eckherl

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They can do what everyone else does and buy new Su-30s from Russia, I'm sure they will sell them after all they let Iran buy them why not North Korea?



The ROK has a very powerful air force and their army has much better tanks and artillery. Not as big in numbers but much more advanced and modern. Plus I doubt more than 10% of their artillery is operational at any given time and those are out dated from the late 50s and early 60s.
What does ROK capabilities have anything to do with what I asked you, everyone knows how much advancements in war fighting technologies that they have, my question was what do you do with the artillery that is already massed along the DMZ pointing to the south, speculating that only 10% of it is operational could be a fatal error on your part along with the average North Korean soldier eats only one meal a day and is starving to death. There is a big reason why the ROK and U.S would just rather leave them alone.
 

Feanor

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They can do what everyone else does and buy new Su-30s from Russia, I'm sure they will sell them after all they let Iran buy them why not North Korea?
Well lets see.... how much money would it cost? ;) And Iran did not buy ANY Su-30 from Russia. If you're referencing the Jerusalem Post article about a ~200 Su-30 deal with Iran, they're full of sh*t.

The ROK has a very powerful air force and their army has much better tanks and artillery. Not as big in numbers but much more advanced and modern. Plus I doubt more than 10% of their artillery is operational at any given time and those are out dated from the late 50s and early 60s.
The question here is what to do with large numbers of WWII level unguided artillery pieces. Why do you think they're inoperable? They're simple to maintain, don't require anything advanced to keep them running, and don't need any real targetting systems given the quantities we're talking about.
 

nikola_281

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Nikola,

thank you,
that's exactly the kind of stuff I'm looking for. Do you know if there are any available reports or books about it?
You are very welcome Falstaff, but you are fishing in the dark here. You will hardly find any credible source for this one and many other events that occurred during that war.

Let's start with those tanks from Podgorica. The army (mainly reserve units) were sent to Dubrovnik with support of the prime minister who has been the biggest supporter of Slobodan Milosevic and his politics. Later on the same guy who is still the prime minister (imagine that, this happens still in Europe) changes his POV and tends to become a very good friend of Croatians and almost everything (I mean here on the more detailed events) that has happened there has never been published and will hardly ever be.
BTW, beside that RPG ambush and loss of one tank that platoon didn't encounter any serious resistance during their mission.

The T-34's were used in the Yugoslav People's Army until 80's when the Army started to put them in reserve. Some of those retired T-34's were used to form independent battalions and platoons intended to protect airports and strategically important locations. As soon as the war broke out the T-34's were again reactivated and engaged into actions. They were mainly used as infantry support units or for a stationary fire support. Because of their poor armour thin sheet metal plates were mounted to enhance their protection. But in reality, as there was a lack of those metal plates the crews were mounting anything that could have enhanced their protection (wheel tires, wood, sandbags, empty ammo boxes...). The T-34's were too old and they couldn't endure this war and most of them were quickly retired.

During their withdrawal from Kosovo in 1999, armoured units of Yugoslav Army left one specially modified T-34 that served as an engineer vehicle. It's not known if that T-34 was used to fit its purpose or was just left on the field as a target (decoy) for the NATO jets.

Regards
 

lancejackCF

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the taliban operated anything they could get their hands on in 2001 including t34-85s they were probably destroyed before they even reached the frontlines though
 

eckherl

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the taliban operated anything they could get their hands on in 2001 including t34-85s they were probably destroyed before they even reached the frontlines though
Really, that is a first for me, are you sure that they were not T-55 and T-62 tanks.
 

lancejackCF

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Really, that is a first for me, are you sure that they were not T-55 and T-62 tanks.
serving family member told me hes not 1 2 exaggerate he was operating around Kabul before it fell 2 NA i was suprised maybe he meant a variant of some sort but still
 

lancejackCF

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on earlier posts the KPA isnt exactly modern but they still have enough material, personnel and defenses to give the ROK a run for their money, with massive american support its a different story, like feanor said u dont need targeting systems if u have such huge(i honestly don t kno the number) amount of fire (rockets systems and guns) on such a relatively small piece of frontage, the mig 17s 19s r all 4 ground attack - not effective but eventually some will get through
 

kato

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T-34 in the East-German Army (KVP and NVA):

T-34/76:
- received starting around 1953 for KVP, used (about 220 units?)
- most (all?) units transferred to NVA 1956
- likely phased out 1958-1960
- at least 156 chassis rebuilt to T-34T, remainder probably sold

SU-85:
- received around 1953 for KVP, used (46 units); also several dozen SU-100, no clue where they ended up
- phased out 1958
- all chassis rebuilt to T-34T/TB (SFL)

T-34/85:
- acquired likely 1953: 360 used units for KVP; 1955-56: 280 units from Polish production for KVP; from 1956: 600 used units for NVA (all used units: from USSR)
- most KVP units transferred to NVA, around 70 units retained for border troops
- phased out from general service around 1969-1970
- retained for border troops until ~1985
- about half of border troop units put in storage then, 33 units scrapped in 1989/90

T-34T armored tractor / T-34TB armored salvage tractors:
- not identical to Soviet SPK-5 and WW2 T-34T/TT-34
- rebuilt from T-34/76 and SU-85 (SFL) chassis 1959-1962 (202 units total)
- phased out from general service around 1970
- about 60-80 units stowed in two new reserve "salvage battalions"
- "salvage battalions" dissolved 1989
- all units sold for civilian use or scrapped in 1989/1990

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Austrian T-34:

- 37 units (all T-34/85) taken over from USSR in 1955
- 19 units put in fixed positions in early 70s
- fixed positions consisted of the complete tank in a concrete bunker (not just the turret, like done with Centurions)
- last unit removed from fixed position October 2007 (!!) - [pic]
 

FutureTank

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Currently Vietnamese People's Army uses the remaining T-34s as targets for exercises.
And not only for targets. Someone I used to know saw some from a car at a training base 4 years ago. They were sitting under covers painted in fresh glaringly green paint with something written on the turrets and huge white numbers on them (full turret height). When he asked a guide, he was told this is the parade training unit! This guy reckoned there were at least 3-4 rows of sheds with maybe a dozen spaces each, but he could not tell if they were all with a T-34/85 in them because all he could see was the 3-4 of the end sheds. They even had edges of everything painted in white like the Soviet Army used to for Victory parades in the Red Square.
 

Crunchy

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And not only for targets. Someone I used to know saw some from a car at a training base 4 years ago. They were sitting under covers painted in fresh glaringly green paint with something written on the turrets and huge white numbers on them (full turret height). When he asked a guide, he was told this is the parade training unit! This guy reckoned there were at least 3-4 rows of sheds with maybe a dozen spaces each, but he could not tell if they were all with a T-34/85 in them because all he could see was the 3-4 of the end sheds. They even had edges of everything painted in white like the Soviet Army used to for Victory parades in the Red Square.
Sorry,but if forum-members check around the mil sites in the last few weeks you will see that the T-55s are going through upgrades, while the few T72 are reserved for best units. There are no T34/85 in active service.
But usually Vietnamese military parades include some "historic components/gear", so what is mentioned, might be those units, which are kept in "proper" condition for some parades, but not for service.
 

ngatimozart

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This is thread necromancy most foul, but the Houthis in Yemen are using T-34's in combat. Which is pretty impressive.

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I notice that they don't fire the gun from inside the turret though having cut a hole through the turret wall and using a lanyard. I wonder if that is due to the quality of the ammo that they are using and maybe one or a few have blown up in their face. It is impressive though and they were an impressive tank in their day. Certainly gave the Wehrmacht a very good shellacking.
 

Falstaff

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I notice that they don't fire the gun from inside the turret though having cut a hole through the turret wall and using a lanyard. I wonder if that is due to the quality of the ammo that they are using and maybe one or a few have blown up in their face. It is impressive though and they were an impressive tank in their day. Certainly gave the Wehrmacht a very good shellacking.
Hmmm I don't think so since low quality ammo would rather build up less pressure. If the "remote control" is a safety thing I'd rather assume they don't trust the breech all too much. Don't know if breech failure is a thing with these guns though. Then again, I hear (never been there) it is a hot place down there and most probably it is not very comfortable inside the tank. When they are using it as a more or less stationary direct fire arty piece, why not control it from the outside?

Makes me wonder, especially if this is a war veteran tank, since it is probably around 70 years old, at some point there have to be problems with fatigue.
 

John Fedup

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Yes, 70 years should raise concerns about fatigue. Good point about the heat though. Canada's Leo 1s first used in Afghanistan were so hot inside that jury-rigged AC systems had to be added. This and other problems resulted in a rush delivery of Leo 2 tanks that had bespoke AC. Don't think AC was ever envisioned for T-34s!
 

Feanor

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Staff member
Yes, 70 years should raise concerns about fatigue. Good point about the heat though. Canada's Leo 1s first used in Afghanistan were so hot inside that jury-rigged AC systems had to be added. This and other problems resulted in a rush delivery of Leo 2 tanks that had bespoke AC. Don't think AC was ever envisioned for T-34s!
Or proper ventilation to evacuate those powder gases.
 

Tsavo Lion

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Toblerone

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I think the way the yemenis are using it is the most practical, as a direct fire artillery piece. Or you can dig out a hole and drive/tow it inside in a fully hull down position, camouflage it and use it as a gun emplacement to overlook a road or something. Then you only maintain the gun.

Anyway, literally anything will work against the saudis, let's be frank.

Yemen photos:

http://m.imgur.com/a/j3eAL
 
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