Japanese Stealth Fighter

Vulcan

Member
I find quite a lot of the new demonstrators impressive, it takes a significant amount of knowledge, money, ambition and political will to develop a national fighter project, particularly if that country has relatively little design experience.

Besides which, there's plenty of cash to be made in aiding the development of said prototypes and many technical reasons to do so.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
I find quite a lot of the new demonstrators impressive, it takes a significant amount of knowledge, money, ambition and political will to develop a national fighter project, particularly if that country has relatively little design experience.

Besides which, there's plenty of cash to be made in aiding the development of said prototypes and many technical reasons to do so.
The knowledge component would include the necessary manufacturing expertise for the numerous specialized parts required by a modern fighter design. Canada had all these assets in the late 1950s but ran short on the last component, political will. ICBMs largely negated the need for a dedicated interceptor for confronting Soviet bombers so the Arrow wasn't needed. Rather than redirect to program towards a multi-role fighter, the government of the day destroyed the country's military aviation industry, millions of dollars and effort were all for not. Contrast this story with Australia's Collins program, 8 very capable subs with the industrial infrastructure still in place to work on a replacement. There was political waffling but fortunately not enough to be fatal to the program.
 

Vulcan

Member
The knowledge component would include the necessary manufacturing expertise for the numerous specialized parts required by a modern fighter design. Canada had all these assets in the late 1950s but ran short on the last component, political will. ICBMs largely negated the need for a dedicated interceptor for confronting Soviet bombers so the Arrow wasn't needed. Rather than redirect to program towards a multi-role fighter, the government of the day destroyed the country's military aviation industry, millions of dollars and effort were all for not. Contrast this story with Australia's Collins program, 8 very capable subs with the industrial infrastructure still in place to work on a replacement. There was political waffling but fortunately not enough to be fatal to the program.
I literally cannot emphasise enough how much programs like this can be worth in this respect. You need to understand what you know and, just as crucially, what you don't.

If that isn't coherent throughout the process you get a differential between concept designers and the unlucky buggers who have to actually figure out a practical solution to stated requirements which have been theoretically solved by a designers belief a particular technology or material exists when it doesn't.

Throughout the testing phase of this aircraft, the Japanese aero industry will be gaining a significant amount of understanding about materials, systems integration, advanced manufacturing and all the sub-divisions of those and how they all work together.

It'll be interesting to see how Japan goes in the ITAR route, as a key US ally in the Pacific you'd think it wouldn't be as big of an issue. However France and, increasingly, the UK has in some areas trying to keep ITAR at arms length as much as possible for commercial reasons. I'd like to see if anything from the Japanese program is exportable.
 

gf0012-aust

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Verified Defense Pro
It'll be interesting to see how Japan goes in the ITAR route, as a key US ally in the Pacific you'd think it wouldn't be as big of an issue. However France and, increasingly, the UK has in some areas trying to keep ITAR at arms length as much as possible for commercial reasons. I'd like to see if anything from the Japanese program is exportable.

just a bit of caution on the use of terminology.


ITAR is a US specific term - less experienced members might struggle to differentiate between official terminology and a generic IP transfer strategic philosophy/process
 

Vulcan

Member

just a bit of caution on the use of terminology.


ITAR is a US specific term - less experienced members might struggle to differentiate between official terminology and a generic IP transfer strategic philosophy/process
Ah right, in this instance it was used to specifically mean US regs.
 

gf0012-aust

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Verified Defense Pro
Ah right, in this instance it was used to specifically mean US regs.
Yep, I'd read it as the japanese needing to adopting an ITARs framework around their own tech developments.

ie a clearly constructed national interest, strategic tech governance protected model
 

Todjaeger

Potstirrer
Yep, I'd read it as the japanese needing to adopting an ITARs framework around their own tech developments.

ie a clearly constructed national interest, strategic tech governance protected model
Funny, I interpreted the comment to mean Japan needing to get US approval to export certain pieces of kit that were based off US IP. Oh the multitude of ways comments can be read and digested.
 

gf0012-aust

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Verified Defense Pro
Funny, I interpreted the comment to mean Japan needing to get US approval to export certain pieces of kit that were based off US IP. Oh the multitude of ways comments can be read and digested.
thats why Forums can be an imperfect discussion medium :)
 

swerve

Super Moderator
Funny, I interpreted the comment to mean Japan needing to get US approval to export certain pieces of kit that were based off US IP. Oh the multitude of ways comments can be read and digested.
That's how I read it.

What is in one's head when typing does not necessarily equal what is in the reader's head.
 
Japan in December 2022 decided to join forces with the UK and Italy on developing a new-generation stealth fighter:

By teaming with the British and Italian aerospace industries to form the Global Combat Aircraft Program, Japan not only has ditched the F-X program in favor of teaming up with the UK on building a stealth fighter but also is now collaborating with a European country on military aircraft development for the first time since World War II. In other words, Japan and the UK abandoning their native F-X and Tempest stealth fighter programs respectively in favor of collaborating with each other and Italy to form the Global Combat Aircraft Program reminds me of when the UK and France decided not to build the Bristol 223 and Sud Aviation Super Caravelle respectively by themselves on financial grounds and hence preferred to jointly work together on the SST design capitalizing on design work on the Bristol and Sud Aviation SST projects that would become the Concorde.
 
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