I didn't say Turkey is the cause of the war, but Turkey contributed alot in turning syria into what it is today, remember the first days of the war when Assad forces will chase the rebels and they will run back into Turkey? It led syria to shoot down a Turkish plane back then. Turkey also shot a Russian plane that was on an anti terrorist mission recently...
War Against ISIS
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Update.
Tiger Force continues to push towards al-Bab out of Kuweiris, taking several villages. Local gains made in Homs and Hama provinces. Meanwhile an ISIS counter-attack cost the SAA two villages near Palmyra, pushing them back.
СириÑ, военное положение 14 ÑÐ½Ð²Ð°Ñ€Ñ 2016 года (Туфелька)
Some footage out of Iraq.
Ðу раз уж заговорили про Ирак... - Берлога Бронемедведа
Footage out of Salma after it was taken.
Ð*епортаж из оÑвобождённой Сальмы. Видео СÐÐ. - nortwolf_sam
A note, not only was Salma taken but the SAA is pushing northward relatively unopposed.
ОÑвобождение Сальмы - Юрий ЛÑмин
Ð*азвитие уÑпеха под Сальмой - Colonel Cassad
Syrian MiG-29Ms are now flying escort for Russian strikers.
СирийÑкие МиГ-29 начали обеÑпечивать непоÑредÑтвенное прикрытие наших штурмовиков - Юрий ЛÑмин
450 Italian airborne troops are supposed to deploy to Mosul to protect a hydro-electric dam.
Ð˜Ñ‚Ð°Ð»Ð¸Ñ Ð³Ð¾Ñ‚Ð¾Ð²Ð° направить Ñвоих деÑантников в МоÑул - bmpd
Unconfirmed info of Russian A-50 use near Syria. And a Russian An-30B was sighted over Sheikh Miskin, likely doing aerial recon for the Syrians.
СириÑ: новые игроки ВКС Ð*Ф - Берлога Бронемедведа
http://military-informant.com/airfo...amechen-nad-gorodom-sheyh-miskin-v-sirii.html
Britain begins using Brimstone missiles in Syria.
http://military-informant.com/airfo...ih-usloviyah-noveyshie-raketyi-brimstone.html
Russia is ready to lighten sanctions against Turkish companies working on the Worldcup stadiums. There was also talk of resuming the Turkish stream pipeline.
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In Libya an oil pipeline exploded, disrupting the work of the terminal it was feeding. Details are lacking.
Ð’ Ливии произошел взрыв на главном нефтепроводе, питающем ÑкÑÐ8364;тный терминал в Ð*аÑ-Лануфе (ПиротехникЪ)
The text of the Russian basing agreement in Syria has been published. It gives Russia the base for free, for ever.
ТекÑÑ‚ ÑÐ¾Ð³Ð»Ð°ÑˆÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ Ñ Ð¡Ð¸Ñ€Ð¸ÐµÐ¹ об авиабазе - Ð”ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ ÐœÐ¾ÐºÑ€ÑƒÑˆÐ¸Ð½
EDIT: Ka-52s are expected to be deployed to Syria. Previously an Mi-35M had already shown up there. If this occurs, this will be the first combat use of the Ka-52.
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1680951.html
Tiger Force continues to push towards al-Bab out of Kuweiris, taking several villages. Local gains made in Homs and Hama provinces. Meanwhile an ISIS counter-attack cost the SAA two villages near Palmyra, pushing them back.
СириÑ, военное положение 14 ÑÐ½Ð²Ð°Ñ€Ñ 2016 года (Туфелька)
Some footage out of Iraq.
Ðу раз уж заговорили про Ирак... - Берлога Бронемедведа
Footage out of Salma after it was taken.
Ð*епортаж из оÑвобождённой Сальмы. Видео СÐÐ. - nortwolf_sam
A note, not only was Salma taken but the SAA is pushing northward relatively unopposed.
ОÑвобождение Сальмы - Юрий ЛÑмин
Ð*азвитие уÑпеха под Сальмой - Colonel Cassad
Syrian MiG-29Ms are now flying escort for Russian strikers.
СирийÑкие МиГ-29 начали обеÑпечивать непоÑредÑтвенное прикрытие наших штурмовиков - Юрий ЛÑмин
450 Italian airborne troops are supposed to deploy to Mosul to protect a hydro-electric dam.
Ð˜Ñ‚Ð°Ð»Ð¸Ñ Ð³Ð¾Ñ‚Ð¾Ð²Ð° направить Ñвоих деÑантников в МоÑул - bmpd
Unconfirmed info of Russian A-50 use near Syria. And a Russian An-30B was sighted over Sheikh Miskin, likely doing aerial recon for the Syrians.
СириÑ: новые игроки ВКС Ð*Ф - Берлога Бронемедведа
http://military-informant.com/airfo...amechen-nad-gorodom-sheyh-miskin-v-sirii.html
Britain begins using Brimstone missiles in Syria.
http://military-informant.com/airfo...ih-usloviyah-noveyshie-raketyi-brimstone.html
Russia is ready to lighten sanctions against Turkish companies working on the Worldcup stadiums. There was also talk of resuming the Turkish stream pipeline.
Íîâîñòè NEWSru.com :: Ñàíêöèè ïðîòèâ òóðåöêèõ ñòðîèòåëåé ãîòîâû ñìÿã÷èòü ðàäè âîçâåäåíèÿ ñòàäèîíîâ ê ×Ì-2018
In Libya an oil pipeline exploded, disrupting the work of the terminal it was feeding. Details are lacking.
Ð’ Ливии произошел взрыв на главном нефтепроводе, питающем ÑкÑÐ8364;тный терминал в Ð*аÑ-Лануфе (ПиротехникЪ)
The text of the Russian basing agreement in Syria has been published. It gives Russia the base for free, for ever.
ТекÑÑ‚ ÑÐ¾Ð³Ð»Ð°ÑˆÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ Ñ Ð¡Ð¸Ñ€Ð¸ÐµÐ¹ об авиабазе - Ð”ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ ÐœÐ¾ÐºÑ€ÑƒÑˆÐ¸Ð½
EDIT: Ka-52s are expected to be deployed to Syria. Previously an Mi-35M had already shown up there. If this occurs, this will be the first combat use of the Ka-52.
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1680951.html
Not having read all 123 pages of this thread, are we counting extremist groups which have pledged allegiance or are affiliated with Daesh as part of this thread? For example, al-Shabab and its recent attack on a military base in Somalia? Also, the ongoing hostage situation and bombings in Burkina Faso, if it is indeed related to al-Shabab or another Daesh-affiliated group. Not to mention the attacks in Jakarta this week.
Alternately, a hypothetical example of Daesh-trained Uighurs doing something in China.
Or is this thread confined to what is going on in Syria and Iraq (and possibly Turkey)? I ask for the sake of clarification as I don't want to post material which other readers will consider to be outside the scope of the thread.
Alternately, a hypothetical example of Daesh-trained Uighurs doing something in China.
Or is this thread confined to what is going on in Syria and Iraq (and possibly Turkey)? I ask for the sake of clarification as I don't want to post material which other readers will consider to be outside the scope of the thread.
I'd say it's within the scope. Granted most of the discussion focuses around Iraq and Syria, because that's where the war is right now.
surpreme
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Agreed, I don't know where this came from. If you check out the actions from the last 4 years other groups took advantage of the civil war to get a foothold. You have the old school Al-Qaeda in Iraq in 2004-07 after it leader was killed by US forces they lay low. A lot of it recruits are former Iraqi soldiers and former Saddam secret security forces that's how it has good intel. They used officers from Saddam Hussein Army to talk to Iraqi forces in Northern Iraq that why they crumbled so fast and some even joined them.There also a foreign intel force helping them also. ISIS is on revenge for what happen at Iraqi prison where some of it members were held also a prison in northern Iraq. If you noticed all prisoners ISIS show on TV has orange jumpsuits it's revenge for the beaten of Iraqi prisoners. It's wise that U.S. not send in Ground Forces, ISIS will be coming after them. Turkey made bad decisions but it not the reason to what going on in Syria.
There has just been a huge attack by ISIS on Deyr-ez-Zor, with a massive slaughter of civilians. The SAA seems to have fought off the attack.
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Update.
South-west of Aleppo another small town has fallen, but overall the front has stabilized, with the rebels still holding the Aleppo-Damascus highway. It's likely that government troops will pause to regroup, before attempting another push. North of Kuweiris, the SAA is continuing to take towns and villages in their push towards al-Bab. The rebels have begun an offensive against ISIS forces in the Azaz corridor, with Turkish support. In Latakia the SAA is pushing north of Salma, and a second offensive along the Turkish border, to secure the Latakia-Idlib highway and close the border. There appear to be Russian advisers embedded with the Syrian troops there (also a lot of the Russian military aid, and possibly some Russian arty is there - Feanor). Around the ar-Rastan pocket, the SAA has given up on trying to clear the highway, and instead is pushing against local weak points, slowly reducing the perimeter. Meanwhile the SAA has taken Mahin, again, and indecisive fighting continues at the heights west of Palmyra.
At Deyr-ez-Zor ISIS has taken a number of smaller villages/suburbs, and proceeded to execute hundreds of civilians. Total numbers are unclear (200-400 are cited by various sources). They also kidnapped a number of hostages.
The Kurdish push southward towards Ash-Shaddadi has halted, instead they're pushing westward along the Turkish border.
Ð’Ð¾ÐµÐ½Ð½Ð°Ñ Ð¾Ð±Ñтановка в Сирии на 17.01.2016 - Colonel Cassad
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Сводка военных дейÑтвий в Сирии 15-16 ÑÐ½Ð²Ð°Ñ€Ñ 2016 года (Туфелька)
Fighting is continuing in Sheikh Miskin. The SAA holds most of the city, but th rebels keep counter-attacking and sneaking back in.
Бои в Шейх-МиÑкине - Colonel Cassad
South-west of Aleppo another small town has fallen, but overall the front has stabilized, with the rebels still holding the Aleppo-Damascus highway. It's likely that government troops will pause to regroup, before attempting another push. North of Kuweiris, the SAA is continuing to take towns and villages in their push towards al-Bab. The rebels have begun an offensive against ISIS forces in the Azaz corridor, with Turkish support. In Latakia the SAA is pushing north of Salma, and a second offensive along the Turkish border, to secure the Latakia-Idlib highway and close the border. There appear to be Russian advisers embedded with the Syrian troops there (also a lot of the Russian military aid, and possibly some Russian arty is there - Feanor). Around the ar-Rastan pocket, the SAA has given up on trying to clear the highway, and instead is pushing against local weak points, slowly reducing the perimeter. Meanwhile the SAA has taken Mahin, again, and indecisive fighting continues at the heights west of Palmyra.
At Deyr-ez-Zor ISIS has taken a number of smaller villages/suburbs, and proceeded to execute hundreds of civilians. Total numbers are unclear (200-400 are cited by various sources). They also kidnapped a number of hostages.
The Kurdish push southward towards Ash-Shaddadi has halted, instead they're pushing westward along the Turkish border.
Ð’Ð¾ÐµÐ½Ð½Ð°Ñ Ð¾Ð±Ñтановка в Сирии на 17.01.2016 - Colonel Cassad
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Сводка военных дейÑтвий в Сирии 15-16 ÑÐ½Ð²Ð°Ñ€Ñ 2016 года (Туфелька)
Fighting is continuing in Sheikh Miskin. The SAA holds most of the city, but th rebels keep counter-attacking and sneaking back in.
Бои в Шейх-МиÑкине - Colonel Cassad
Daesh kidnaps 400 civilians in Syria's Dayr al-Zawr: Report
Wow they must be using them as a bargaining chip now, so close to the talks ... I always wondered how that pocket of resistance remained there in the middle of IS territory. In a magical world there would be some special forces operation to save them but I'm not holding my breath. Poor people :shudder
Makes you appreciate being born in a country like Australia eh? (for some, others never seem to realise how lucky we are) birth lotto, no one chooses where they are born or to what demographic. Poor buggers indeed.
surpreme
Member
Syrian Army already has an elite unit there now 104th (Airborne) Republicans Guard Brigade Brig-Gen. Zahreddine they been fighting for last 2 years it was suppose to go Aleppo but High Command sent the 104th to Deir El- Zour they been killing lots of ISIS militants They even captured ex-Iraqi soldiers during there counterattacks. The 104th will strike back that all they know is to strike hard. This force is no joke they are highly trained unit the problem now is they lost a lot of skilled soldiers and now training tribesmen, NDF, and allied units to fight because of manpower storage. 104th put 2-3 soldiers with 20-30 NDF to help them fight. The other 103rd (airborne) Republicans Guard Brigade is leading the offensive in Lakista Province.
Luckily Iran has pooled together a lot of moderate Sunni tribes, to help even the numbers. In reality, Shia are a big minority. I think Manpower isn't a issue at the moment, the SAA has managed to regroup and attack on several fronts.
You're right though, 104th is no joke.
This man especially... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBRxjtgjIgg
Suheil Al Hassan has held and won against all odds, he was fighting on the front lines as a colonel for a long time, till he was finally coerced to be promoted to a Major General. He refused promotion several times, just to be able to fight on the front-lines. He reminds of Patton.
surpreme
Member
That is correct he did refuse promotion several times he's commander of Syrian Arab Air Force Special Operation Force he is known as the "Tiger" he a tough cookie also. He's in Aleppo area he just broke the siege at the air base in November he never lost a battle. He did get nervous during Islamist offensive near Idlib where he needed more ammo to fight but had to retreat.There are several other member in Syrian Army refusing promotions such as Brig-Gen Zaderdine 104th Airborne and commander of 103rd (Airborne). They seem to want to stay with there unit they already command. 104th commander released KIA in December 2015 it total over 300 men and over 500 wounded . Now a brigade has somewhere close 1000 to 3000 soldiers they are only 2/3 full strength. Now you see why I said they lose alot skilled soldiers in a 2 year span. The recruit drive for Airborne unit has decrease they not getting to many new recruit from the schools anymore. In memo the General said he hasn't received new recruits since Sept 2014. The Airborne units are fighting hard they kind of remind me of the Germany SS units in 1943-44 where they fought against the odds and gave the enemy hard time. ISIS keep attacking this area over and over but the 104th just keep killing them. As I recalled from all the battle for past 3 years the 104th KIA ratio for every 1 airborne unit killed 10 ISIS is killed so yes they killed alot of ISIS cats.
here go 104th in action
https://youtu.be/2n6SyBF4UIM?list=PLSSpnKKa7AGWcMzixhZZinTe02bGwN-bE
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It seems to me that manpower is the main problem for the slow success. If they had more boots on the ground they would have advanced at triple the rate. I wish Iran would commit more.
The other stuff you guys are talking about sounds very propaganda-driven. SAA media creating heroes and figureheads. Like ISIS are doing with releasing videos and interviews of their "heroes", very successful snipers, TOW operators or suicide bombers even (although these are one-trick ponies)
Yes I'm sure US ground forces would be terribly worried about ISIS's military capability in conventional warfare.
The phrase that includes the words, knife, through, hot and butter spring to mind here...
The problem is the US believing it has to 'rebuild' after they go through such ragtag forces, exposing them to insurgency tactics.
Why I never quite understood. A NATO or Russian division would wipe up all of ISIS conventional warfare capability in a matter of weeks at most. Which is exactly what they should do and then just leave the rubble behind them. Let the Syrians and Iraqis lift themselves out of the hole they have dug.
Manpower is the main problem, was way worse last year. Though, you can tell that Sunni's are now flowing more and more into the SAA sphere. Though, ISIS, F.S.A has even more manpower in ways, all flowing through Turkey.
As for propaganda hardly, SAA certainly has their own propaganda machine, but what country doesn't? Every country needs their own figureheads and heroes, especially in this conflict. It's good for moral, though the man and brigades we were discussing specifically is all factual. So they deserve merit, and applause from their supporters. They've really beat and held out against all odds.
Things have changed a lot on the ground, just last summer scores and scores of SAA tanks/positions being hit by TOW's and overran. I have to credit Iranian and Russian advisers and air power for that. Though, overall the Syrian's deserve credit, they've really held on. I'm not an Assad sympathizer, but who else is there? His people still loves him, and he controls 66% of the remaining population due to them fleeing FSA and ISIS held areas. Another big chunk is in Kurdish controlled Territory. It's really telling of the situation, and most of them are Sunni's. Plus many of those "Syrian Refugees" flooding into Europe are actually Turkish, ect. You can tell by the earrings and fancy clothes. Tons of articles on google about that. They're involved in massive smuggling operations. If anything this is still a Turkish problem, the biggest problem in this conflict. All they had/have to do is mobilize and shut down the entire border.
Greek president accuses Turkish authorities of smuggling refugees | News | DW.COM | 18.01.2016
surpreme
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You don't understand what motivation is do you? I'm put it to you like this I don't want to go to far but we lost a soldier first thing come into my mind is revenge this is a fact. I'm talking about that ISIS looking for revenge of killing U.S. troops. I served in U.S. Army I know they will be destroyed I mean destroyed but you're not going to kill all ISIS member okay so they will be motivated to kill American soldiers the ones that survive. And trust me they are willing to die in large numbers to achieve the goal of killing American troops. And there favorite weapon is suicide bombs etc. These ISIS cats will try every trick in the book to try take over certain area or kill large number of troops ask a Syrian soldier.
Well if that is the case you'll just have to make sure of your perimeter security won't you. Go back to basic soldiering and you'll run Daesh straight to hell. They can't stand up to proper forces and you make sure that you get them all. Play to their fears; and they will have fears. You put the fear of god into them by burying them with pigs and make sure that they know that is going to happen to them. They won't get to paradise then will they? War is not a game of tiddlywinks and those of us who have served know that. Just make sure that your troops are protected from the rubbish that this British soldier is undergoing for doing his job.
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Yes I comprehend the word 'motivation'. I'm starting to wonder if you comprehend however...
I'm talking about a division plus sized ground operation to destroy ISIS' combat capability and allow the Iraqi and Syrian Governments to regain control over their territories. That won't kill every single member of ISIS, but it will allow what are rather ineffective Governments to restablish control over their own territories and allow their limited capabilities to secure these areas.
I have no doubt there will be suicide 'revenge' bombings and what not, but individually the harm these cause will be localised and won't have a strategic effect, which a 30-50,000 strong Army, located in a region where it can flourish due to weak or non-existant security forces, will...
War is never safe. But the continuing option of the 'airpower drizzle' campaign is showing the US as weak, when it is anything but, only it's 'leader' is...
As soon as the troops left the insurgency would start all over again.
The best approach is to aid and coerce the legitimate government (with or without quotes, I'm way past caring for democracy in the ME or Africa) to defeat them and actually take control. Otherwise noone will recognize their authority and legitimacy, if they are considered puppets of the West.
That's why I hope the SAA, hezbollah and the kurds beat IS in Syria, iraqi army, shia militias (so called iranian proxies) and the kurds beat IS in Iraq. And in Libya the two forces to create a joint government and beat them there, too.
I mean, air campaigns are super important, but at the end of the day what matters most is whose boots are stomping inside a city. That's how these failed states can have a leadership with some legitimacy. By winning over their own country by force.
The best approach is to aid and coerce the legitimate government (with or without quotes, I'm way past caring for democracy in the ME or Africa) to defeat them and actually take control. Otherwise noone will recognize their authority and legitimacy, if they are considered puppets of the West.
That's why I hope the SAA, hezbollah and the kurds beat IS in Syria, iraqi army, shia militias (so called iranian proxies) and the kurds beat IS in Iraq. And in Libya the two forces to create a joint government and beat them there, too.
I mean, air campaigns are super important, but at the end of the day what matters most is whose boots are stomping inside a city. That's how these failed states can have a leadership with some legitimacy. By winning over their own country by force.
surpreme
Member
They have skilled soldiers in there ranks don't forget that all ISIS are not rag tag soldiers Some of them don't give a f*ck if you what I mean. I understand where you coming from doe. I'm trying find out who is giving them intel. I do believe there numbers has fallen in the past year but they have the way of fallen through the cracks. They always find a way to adapt to bad situation. They will go back and disappear in the desert they have cats with them that know the area.