Royal Australian Navy Discussions and Updates

[StingrayOZ]

Poor wording or lost in translation IMO but trilateral cooperation to effectively keep tabs on Chinese boats doesn't seem like a bad idea, especially if they want to try create some kind of CASD posture.

Well I did take it slightly out of the context. But the concept is that. The US has more of a management role rather than a putting hard metal assets in there role.

We will definitely need 12 subs (or more) to have regular patrols of the SCS (and the Indian ocean).

But I think the question is still valid. What sort of navy does Australia need to "look after" the Indian, South China and Pacific ocean and Australia's interests in those three areas.

 

[gf0012-aust]

Really? 3 foreign countries? I thought only Singapore has our technology. Why do we sell it to others? Isn't this some top secret stuff?

we sell as australia doesn't have a nationalised ship building industry

there are capabilies developed by Australian companies and who participated in ongoing development of Collins

3 of those companies are owned by 2 ex Nuke sub drivers. I is an ex RAN driver


and it is sensitive for export.

makes me laugh when journos attack the australian ship building and ship industry capability - we sell capability to some countries who the common punter thinks are already at the top of the tech tree.

we're providing similar capability at 1/10th the cost - and thats not hyperbole

 

[Volkodav]

we sell as australia doesn't have a nationalised ship building industry

there are capabilies developed by Australian companies and who participated in ongoing development of Collins

3 of those companies are owned by 2 ex Nuke sub drivers. I is an ex RAN driver


and it is sensitive for export.

makes me laugh when journos attack the australian ship building and ship industry capability - we sell capability to some countries who the common punter thinks are already at the top of the tech tree.

we're providing similar capability at 1/10th the cost - and thats not hyperbole

At the senate estimates Stuart Whiley from ASC indicated that ASC could build twelve new subs for between $18 and 24 billion, or for less than Japan is quoting. He was promptly shut down by his boss, the finance minister.

Based on what I've seen happen under both Labor and Coalition governments Stuart will be lucky to keep his job. This is exactly why ASC needs to be privatised, the CoA is a terrible owner, they politicize everything and sack or force people out for doing their job or telling the truth. All the carry on about the AWD, the head of ASC is forced to resign, ASC and DMO suffer deep cuts and redundancies, while the head of the AWD Alliance, a Raytheon employee, keeps his job, his bonuses, business class travel (all Raytheon employees fly business while ASC and DMO fly economy) while Raytheon has few if any redundancies while they continue to employ managers and leads for everything imaginable.

 

[Joe Black]

we sell as australia doesn't have a nationalised ship building industry

there are capabilies developed by Australian companies and who participated in ongoing development of Collins

3 of those companies are owned by 2 ex Nuke sub drivers. I is an ex RAN driver


and it is sensitive for export.

makes me laugh when journos attack the australian ship building and ship industry capability - we sell capability to some countries who the common punter thinks are already at the top of the tech tree.

we're providing similar capability at 1/10th the cost - and thats not hyperbole

Didn't we get help from the USN in modifying the screw design? I recall the original design had cavitation problem and USN helped fixed the issue. Didn't the USN also helped modify the hull design and modified the conning tower too?

In terms of the anechoic tiles, we designed and built our own an export it to Singapore as I recall.

 

[Joe Black]

More commentaries about the interest in Japanese propulsion...
Australia Wants Japanese Sub Propulsion | The Diplomat

 

[gf0012-aust]

In terms of the anechoic tiles, we designed and built our own an export it to Singapore as I recall.

there is nothing in the public domain about what australian companies do regarding technology sales for submarines

these companies are very very publicity shy and don't want some half witted journo banging on their front doors for an exclusive

the tiles were AustGov developed, not industry

 

[the road runner]

there is nothing in the public domain about what australian companies do regarding technology sales for submarines

these companies are very very publicity shy and don't want some half witted journo banging on their front doors for an exclusive

This is probably part of the reason the general public in Australia think anything to do with Australia+Collins+Subs+Industry+Mainstream media=a DUD sub.

I only became aware of the capability of our subs and how we export some sub tech when i joined this forum.I am actually glad Japan the USA and Australia are talking about joint development of a number of systems and sharing some tech with one another.

 

[t68]

I read somewhere that when Collins was in the design stage that the preferred option was MTU Detroiit, is that still an option or are the Japanese propolsion a step above?

 

[alexsa]

Probably something along the lines of the BMT Caimen 200 (I'd like to see one with a helipad bult in).

Whilst I'm sure are far larger in both size & crew requirements, the Makassar class are apparently very cheap. The Philippines have purchased two for $92m USD.

Weren't the Koreans offering 3 AOR replacements for the price of 2 a while back?

Damen were displaying a capable looking (model) LST 100 design at Euronavel. It was helo capable and had a reasonable speed wiht 100m LOA.

There seem to be a number of options about

 

[weegee]

Hey guys went for a ride tonight into Harries for a pie. The whole fleet must have been in, I counted 3 Anzacs 3 adelaides 1 success 1 canberra and even 1 young endeavor. Here are some photos god dam Canberra is big it makes success and an adelaide look tiny.

 

[Milne Bay]

Hey guys went for a ride tonight into Harries for a pie. The whole fleet must have been in, I counted 3 Anzacs 3 adelaides 1 success 1 canberra and even 1 young endeavor. Here are some photos god dam Canberra is big it makes success and an adelaide look tiny.

Interesting shot of HMAS Anzac post ASMD upgrade.
I note that she sports four harpoon launchers instead of the customary eight.
Is this a top-weight issue or simply an available fitout variation?
MB

 

[ASSAIL]

Interesting shot of HMAS Anzac post ASMD upgrade.
I note that she sports four harpoon launchers instead of the customary eight.
Is this a top-weight issue or simply an available fitout variation?
MB

Normal variation I think. I've seen Perth with x8 and x2 and x6 ?

 

[Raven22]

Hey guys went for a ride tonight into Harries for a pie. The whole fleet must have been in, I counted 3 Anzacs 3 adelaides 1 success 1 canberra and even 1 young endeavor. Here are some photos god dam Canberra is big it makes success and an adelaide look tiny.

From my new apartment on the North shore in Sydney I can see down into the Navy base. It's fun sitting on the balcony drinking beers and watching the Navy do work for a change.

 

[rand0m]

Damen were displaying a capable looking (model) LST 100 design at Euronavel. It was helo capable and had a reasonable speed wiht 100m LOA.

There seem to be a number of options about

What are the other options out there? I know the Turkish are implementing a new LST in the future but can't think of many else.

I wonder if people would have the same enthusiasm towards the LHD if it were a Mistral? :

 

[gf0012-aust]

I wonder if people would have the same enthusiasm towards the LHD if it were a Mistral? :

I know a few people who evaluated the Mistral, Universally glad we went with the spanish

 

[Richo99]

Damen were displaying a capable looking (model) LST 100 design at Euronavel. It was helo capable and had a reasonable speed wiht 100m LOA.

There seem to be a number of options about

Do you have any more info on the Damen LSTs? I can't find any info apart from the one short article and one photo rehashed on numerous sites...nothing even on the Damen website. An 80-100m long LST is, i figure, exactly what the government is after.

 

[Magoo]

F-35 strike fighters for the Canberra-class? | Australian Naval Institute

This just in on the Aust Naval Institute website - written by a former RAN A-4 pilot and CO 800NAS RN.

 

[mattyg]

I am only new on here, But we need a like button. Thanks Magoo for sharing.

I also look forward to GF's thoughts on this matter........

 

[old faithful]

Well that was a great read, thanks for posting it .
Hope The Libs order the B, s asap, get the ball rolling.
Seems that it is very doable, with only sight mods and an aircrew of 120, will still see the ships used in their intended roll, still capable of delivering troops and equipment to the battlefield via organic rotary assets , then assist them with strike missions much closer to target.
If the B buy goes ahead, the Canberra, s will be the most flexible and usefull ships in RAN history.

 

[ASSAIL]

F-35 strike fighters for the Canberra-class? | Australian Naval Institute

This just in on the Aust Naval Institute website - written by a former RAN A-4 pilot and CO 800NAS RN.

I have supported this acquisition over a number of posts for all the reasons Baddams supplies. The surprise for me is the extent of the LHD's SVTOL preparedness as I had understood, from various sources, that much of the vital support infrastructure within the ships had been altered.
Thanks for posting Magoo