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icelord

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I've been very keen on the 'holland' class for many years, and if it were not for a very close neighbour purchasing the Sigmas then i would love to see them in the mix for a ship that could aid the northern forces in the way Triton does for customs.
 

ausklr76

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I've been very keen on the 'holland' class for many years, and if it were not for a very close neighbour purchasing the Sigmas then i would love to see them in the mix for a ship that could aid the northern forces in the way Triton does for customs.
Holland class do look nice but for my money I'd go for some Sigma class. Made me laugh though on wikipedia (so dont know how true) it has the unit price for a Holland class as US$150M and the price for one F-35a at about US$125m.
 

alexsa

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I've been very keen on the 'holland' class for many years, and if it were not for a very close neighbour purchasing the Sigmas then i would love to see them in the mix for a ship that could aid the northern forces in the way Triton does for customs.
Triton is commercial and has limitations. It really as been a stop gap for Customs. The price of the Damen 2400 built in Vietnam is actually very competitive and I suspect the Holland class would a bit more expensive.

As a policing OPV I am of the view the 2400 is sufficient and would rather see a low end unit like this in lieu of the ACPB and a small number of 'light frigates' to complement the MFU (a bit like the OCV proposed with the Sprites).

Dreaming I know.
 

hauritz

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I can't help but wonder about the Damen 2400 decision. Certainly this design now has the inside running as an OCV contender.

Perhaps the RAN is hoping that the decision on the OCV will be accelerated.

I know that before the election the Liberal party policy was for a mix of OPVs and Patrol Boats.
 

alexsa

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I can't help but wonder about the Damen 2400 decision. Certainly this design now has the inside running as an OCV contender.

Perhaps the RAN is hoping that the decision on the OCV will be accelerated.

I know that before the election the Liberal party policy was for a mix of OPVs and Patrol Boats.
Just to reiterate, this is a commercial vessel (not a warship) and will be certified as such under the civilian compliance arrangements. You should not assume it is going to be the main contender for anything.

I will provide a pretty good insight into the design and arrangement of a vessel based on the 2400 design
 

Volkodav

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I would have a thought that being built to commercial standards wouldn't be an issue for an OCV.
Alex is referring to how this particular vessel is going to be owned and operated, I.e. Under a commercial contract providing x number of contracted days a year rather than being commissioned naval vessel.
 

alexsa

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I would have a thought that being built to commercial standards wouldn't be an issue for an OCV.
No argument but it is not being purchased as a OCV. It is being purchased as
a commercial vessel, (i.e cargo ship) and will be built to, and operated in accordance, the conventions applicable to cargo vessels by a civilian operator.

Unless something changes it will not be a Naval Auxiliary or a warship.

This certification is no issue for an OCV but when considering what this vessel it is critical to remember that, as it stands, this not being purchased as cargo ship. It is also important to note the warships built to commercial standards will not necessarily fully comply with relevant conventions (generally they don't).
 

weegee

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Rimpac 2014

From memory the Collins class have done quite well in Rimpac before in both the aggressor and defender roles against US subs and surface fleets.
Do we think they will put them up against other Diesel subs this year i.e. the Victoria Class from Canada? I wonder how they will go then?

I suppose we will never hear 100% the truth anyway but would be nice to now haha.
 

Punta74

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New warship’s 14,000 defects

Nuship Canberra :

CONSTRUCTION of the nat*ion’s largest warship has been delayed by seven months as workers battle to fix more than 14,000 minor defects in a fresh setback for the troubled naval shipbuilding industry.

If someone can post the link from the Australian please (unable to post link until post count greater than 10)
 

t68

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Nuship Canberra :

CONSTRUCTION of the nat*ion’s largest warship has been delayed by seven months as workers battle to fix more than 14,000 minor defects in a fresh setback for the troubled naval shipbuilding industry.

If someone can post the link from the Australian please (unable to post link until post count greater than 10)
Can't get the Australians version but Eric got a blog about it appears to be from the Australian

Eric Palmer blog: New warship’s 14,000 defects
 

Trackmaster

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Nuship Canberra :

CONSTRUCTION of the nat*ion’s largest warship has been delayed by seven months as workers battle to fix more than 14,000 minor defects in a fresh setback for the troubled naval shipbuilding industry.

If someone can post the link from the Australian please (unable to post link until post count greater than 10)
Right from the get-go, there were those who said it was going to get messy with the work being split between Spain and Melbourne.

And from what you can read, the first sea trials were "interesting", with the trial crew not knowing how to operate the pods and then burning out a major switchboard.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ps-14000-defects/story-e6frg8yo-1226989024660
 

Volkodav

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Right from the get-go, there were those who said it was going to get messy with the work being split between Spain and Melbourne.

And from what you can read, the first sea trials were "interesting", with the trial crew not knowing how to operate the pods and then burning out a major switchboard.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ps-14000-defects/story-e6frg8yo-1226989024660
I made the mistake of reading the comments to the story, unions unions unions, Labor mates, Labor mismanaging defence, Collins class submarines suck because there are never any more than five available etc etc etc.

Me thinks the "rent a comment" guide sheet today said blame the unions and Labor for the delay in the ships while the random Collins comments are just from the usual brain dead suspects who know nothing about defence.
 

hauritz

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I guess how bad it is it depends what they mean by minor defects. It is a big ship. Perhaps it was a very zealous inspection team picking every tiny little flaw. Hopefully most can be fixed with a lick of paint and a screw driver.

On the other hand we have another amphib and 3 destroyers being built. Lets hope these problems aren't endemic.
 

old faithful

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I made the mistake of reading the comments to the story, unions unions unions, Labor mates, Labor mismanaging defence, Collins class submarines suck because there are never any more than five available etc etc etc.

Me thinks the "rent a comment" guide sheet today said blame the unions and Labor for the delay in the ships while the random Collins comments are just from the usual brain dead suspects who know nothing about defence.
Volk,
unions MUST take a fair bit of blame. They have pretty ruthless and demanding agendas, more so when the Libs are in power, they purposely WANT some industries to suffer when the libs are in, so they can get more onside for the next election.
For example, we are in an EBA at the moment, and some of the demands are embarresing, and will lead to out sourcing and for the first time in NT corrections, casuals. That will mean little or no OT for permanent employees.
In the long run, maybe not so long, its going to lead to privatisation of our industry, and that is BAD,.
Joyce
and Katter make the most sense to me anyway in Australian politics.
Palmer demonstrating last week how much the Libs need PUP, and Labour self destructing in a crappy greens afair....our political parties are so busy fighting each other in a popularity contest, that we the people are suffering, and those we elect, on either side cant do their jobs.
 

Volkodav

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Don't get me wrong I am no fan of unions and the sooner Labor break from them the better as far as I am concerned. I should have elaborated that the comments followed a common theme but it was quite clear that the people commenting had not read the story and I suspect they were responding to email and text requests to comment on the story in a particular way. All the parties do it as part of their media strategy just Labor and the Greens don't tend to bother with defence stories but I believe Labor have done so with the Rossi boots one.
 

Punta74

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The Australian newspaper reported that more than 14,000 so- called "defects" were discovered about two years ago and are mostly minor. The most serious problems, including electrical failures, leaking seals, unaligned pods and corrosion in propellers, are believed to have been already fixed.

Makes you wonder if these defects will tip the scales towards Daewoo now for the replenishment ships.
 

the road runner

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Saw a landing craft in Sydney harbour today
Pennant number was L4401 and i assume it was the new LCM-1E.
One thing tho,it had 2 bridges(fly bridge?) on either side at the back of the LCM.
Also the ramp seemed to be able to put half or the whole ramp down IE The ramp was split into 2 lanes

It looked rather different than the Spanish LCM's.
Altho it looked pretty impressive and BIG!
 

aussienscale

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Saw a landing craft in Sydney harbour today
Pennant number was L4401 and i assume it was the new LCM-1E.
One thing tho,it had 2 bridges(fly bridge?) on either side at the back of the LCM.
Also the ramp seemed to be able to put half or the whole ramp down IE The ramp was split into 2 lanes

It looked rather different than the Spanish LCM's.
Altho it looked pretty impressive and BIG!
Yes it would be the LCM-1E's, the Australian ones are numbered L4401-L4412. But not sure what you saw ? was there possibly 2 of them side by side giving that appearance ? The ramps cant split and no room on the other side (port) for anything else

Cheers
 

aussienscale

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Makes you wonder if these defects will tip the scales towards Daewoo now for the replenishment ships.
The Federal Government has already said the replenishment ships will not be built in Australia, it is now just a competition between Daewoo for the Aegir design and Navantia with the Cantabria Class

Cheers
 
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