Check out the first thread on this subject, FEB 07......and 7 years later we are talking about the same thing!
I wonder if a module could be deployed from the ramp and carried internally on a HSV? Don't think external carry rapid deployment will be an option on a HSV, even the big ones like the 112 and 130m ones. I would imagine assembly would have to be done on ship?The Jenkins Marine page has each 6.1m x 2.5m module weighing in at 5 tonnes. This does not include the weight of connectors, ramps, drive units etc.
The other weight penalty will be the hull fittings and reinforcing to carry them as well as the lifting and securing arrangment.
I just re-read an excellent post from Alexsa to me from oct 2007 about HSV and lift.LINK Doesn't hurt to revisit situations every 7 or so years.Check out the first thread on this subject, FEB 07......and 7 years later we are talking about the same thing!
Thanks for this. It gives me a point to start from. It also serves to suggest the limitations of an HSV in roles other than Ro-Ro.The Jenkins Marine page has each 6.1m x 2.5m module weighing in at 5 tonnes. This does not include the weight of connectors, ramps, drive units etc.
The other weight penalty will be the hull fittings and reinforcing to carry them as well as the lifting and securing arrangment.
i think i've bitched before about how subs were the political football.....I now understand what Abe has been saying for years now. Fix the top heavy procurement side of things and we have more than enough money for the gear and the personnel we need to operate it.
Rant over.
Might not be a pipe dream, but a very long way off and many things can change in the mean time. The priority is the RAAF's A's, 72 ordered with a long lead time for delivery and IOC, if the remaining 28 were to be B's to make up the 100 we are talking a long way down the track before that decision is made.Getting the F35B for the new LHDs might not be a pipe dream.
The Defence Minister David Johnson has confirmed that purchasing the B model is being considered.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/national/a/23583014/jump-jets-on-defence-radar/
considering the costs that are involved with setting up the fleet and force structure, as well as the issue of hurting the rest of the def budget (plus a few other things), I am very surprised that this would get airedMight not be a pipe dream, but a very long way off and many things can change in the mean time. The priority is the RAAF's A's, 72 ordered with a long lead time for delivery and IOC, if the remaining 28 were to be B's to make up the 100 we are talking a long way down the track before that decision is made.
Cheers
Look at the damage a two pass system did with a dithering minister like Smith and a disinterested PM like Gillard, three passes would have meant no decisions ever. I am concerned enough that the current government are too distracted by the current political narrative that the economy is screwed and we cant afford anything for a decade, I just hope they follow advice and unwind Moores mess. Maybe it could free up enough cash for the Bs and something better than the LHDs to fly them off.i think i've bitched before about how subs were the political football.....
if you think the two pass process was a cluster you;ll be happy to know that the govt seriously considered a 3 pass process.
that would make indian procurement models look like the gold standard on efficiency
Be interesting to read a transcript of the full interview to see the 'context' of what was actually said, interesting all the same.Getting the F35B for the new LHDs might not be a pipe dream.
The Defence Minister David Johnson has confirmed that purchasing the B model is being considered.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/national/a/23583014/jump-jets-on-defence-radar/
And logic would seam to point out given the reality of the Canberra class set up that a couple of ARH Tigers would fill our equivalent role on the LHD's. Perhaps even Sea-Hawk Romeo's could assist seeing as they carry the hellfire these days?The USMC only has 6 fast jets on board for CAS
Correct in a ADF application Tiger ARH will be used for Fire support, security for forward deployed forces, armed escort, coordination, armed and visual reconnaissance.And logic would seam to point out given the reality of the Canberra class set up that a couple of ARH Tigers would fill our equivalent role on the LHD's. Perhaps even Sea-Hawk Romeo's could assist seeing as they carry the hellfire these days?
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And logic would seam to point out given the reality of the Canberra class set up that a couple of ARH Tigers would fill our equivalent role on the LHD's. Perhaps even Sea-Hawk Romeo's could assist seeing as they carry the hellfire these days?