New Zealand Army

[Ocean1Curse]

No offense, but what does that have to do with army organization generally, or the NZ army specifically?

Honestly I don't know much about the New Zealand military other than what I see on the Internet. Some times I glimpse stuff that I don't like. I tried to find one of the you tube clips I was thinking of when writing my previous rants. But couldn't. So I will try to summarise.

In the youtube clip to young kiwi soldiers are sitting a top a high ridge in afganistan over looking there compound directly below (no bigger than a Woolworths shopping centre. And staffed by a handful of solders). Where describing how in a previous night a group of men armed with Automatic weapons and RPG's fired on there compound from that very same position a top the ridge.

Although no casualties where taken. Probably thanks to the attackers lack of aim.

I can't help but think New Zealand could do better. When we deploy troops.

 

[ngatimozart]

Honestly I don't know much about the New Zealand military other than what I see on the Internet. Some times I glimpse stuff that I don't like. I tried to find one of the you tube clips I was thinking of when writing my previous rants. But couldn't. So I will try to summarise.

In the youtube clip to young kiwi soldiers are sitting a top a high ridge in afganistan over looking there compound directly below (no bigger than a Woolworths shopping centre. And staffed by a handful of solders). Where describing how in a previous night a group of men armed with Automatic weapons and RPG's fired on there compound from that very same position a top the ridge.

Although no casualties where taken. Probably thanks to the attackers lack of aim.

I can't help but think New Zealand could do better. When we deploy troops.

You only see what the media want to you to see and the NZ media is no friend of NZDF. You need to watch learn and listen. There are people on here who know exactly what they are talking about and who have been there done that and got the t-shirt. Some of us are ex NZDF and take the mana and honour of NZDF very seriously.

 

[Cadredave]

You only see what the media want to you to see and the NZ media is no friend of NZDF. You need to watch learn and listen. There are people on here who know exactly what they are talking about and who have been there done that and got the t-shirt. Some of us are ex NZDF and take the mana and honour of NZDF very seriously.

Something mainstream media will not post ill be surprised if they do, this is the story of Pedro 83, 84 mission to save our soldiers caught in a ambush in Bamiyan.

Distinguished Rescue

will always be grateful of the full support given freely by the US forces in country (So others may live) Onward

 

[RegR]

Something mainstream media will not post ill be surprised if they do, this is the story of Pedro 83, 84 mission to save our soldiers caught in a ambush in Bamiyan.

Distinguished Rescue

will always be grateful of the full support given freely by the US forces in country (So others may live) Onward

Excellent read CD, thanks for the link. This is indeed something that should be more widespread around local media circles to not only remember the fallen but also to honour some true heroes who would otherwise go unknown in NZ. Good effort USAF.

 

[ngatimozart]

NZ has taken delivery of four mobile bridging systems. These are the ones they bought with the British Army. New Zealand takes delivery of General Dynamics bridging system - UPI.com Of concern is the Ministers comments that further savings must be found and these will be outlined in this Mays budget.

 

[Todjaeger]

NZ has taken delivery of four mobile bridging systems. These are the ones they bought with the British Army. New Zealand takes delivery of General Dynamics bridging system - UPI.com Of concern is the Ministers comments that further savings must be found and these will be outlined in this Mays budget.

Here is a notion, reduce payroll by reducing the Ministerial staff (across the whole of gov't) and slashing the salaries, benefits and allotments for the Ministers, their staffs, and the rest of Gov't.

If the NZDF keeps needing to become more 'fiscally efficient' require all the rest of Gov't to achieve the same savings and efficiencies.

 

[kiwi in exile]

NZ has taken delivery of four mobile bridging systems. These are the ones they bought with the British Army. New Zealand takes delivery of General Dynamics bridging system - UPI.com Of concern is the Ministers comments that further savings must be found and these will be outlined in this Mays budget.

I thought we allready had these.
I have discussed them before on this thread and they have been listed on the army website for ages: NZ Army - Gap Crossing System

Heres a link to an old you tube:
[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H_PZ71qqU4"]Crossing Gaps the Army way - YouTube[/nomedia]
There was even photos in Navy Today showing one being trialled on the Canterbury.

 

[Norm]

New GAP Crossing System

I thought we allready had these.
I have discussed them before on this thread and they have been listed on the army website for ages: NZ Army - Gap Crossing System

Heres a link to an old you tube:
Crossing Gaps the Army way - YouTube
There was even photos in Navy Today showing one being trialled on the Canterbury.

The Brits loaned the NZDF 3 xGCS in order to get underway with a partial introduction into service in 2012.
http://www.army.mil.nz/downloads/pdf/army-news/armynews437.pdf
Cheers.

 

[ngatimozart]

Here is a notion, reduce payroll by reducing the Ministerial staff (across the whole of gov't) and slashing the salaries, benefits and allotments for the Ministers, their staffs, and the rest of Gov't.

If the NZDF keeps needing to become more 'fiscally efficient' require all the rest of Gov't to achieve the same savings and efficiencies.

My father in law reckons every time there is an election the first thing the pollies do is vote themselves a pay rise, plus one for all their hangers on.

 

[Norm]

Further Defence savings

Of concern is the Ministers comments that further savings must be found and these will be outlined in this Mays budget.[/QUOTE]

Looks like a turnaround from August last year when the Minister indicatedthat cuts would go on hold for a year or two to take the presure off.

Defence Force cuts could be delayed - Coleman - National - NZ Herald News

Me thinks that the draft budgets have shown Government spending to be on the high side and Bill English as defacto CFO for NZ Govt Inc has put the pressure back on.We will need to see if any other Ministers start indicating similar belt tightening!

 

[KiwiRob]

My father in law reckons every time there is an election the first thing the pollies do is vote themselves a pay rise, plus one for all their hangers on.

Except it's the Remuneration Authority that sets the pay for MP's and civil servants. It's also nice to see we have a PM who thinks that MP's salaries shouldn't rise more than the level of inflation, on the other hand the opposition wanted more.

 

[Lucasnz]

Does anyone have an update on the status of the Mistral system that was suppose to be up for sale. The army recuirting website still seemed to be looking for artillery personnel to specialise in air defence.

 

[ngatimozart]

Except it's the Remuneration Authority that sets the pay for MP's and civil servants. It's also nice to see we have a PM who thinks that MP's salaries shouldn't rise more than the level of inflation, on the other hand the opposition wanted more.

I was being facetious

 

[MrConservative]

Of concern is the Ministers comments that further savings must be found and these will be outlined in this Mays budget.

Property rationalization is on the cards I suspect. Reduce through sale of the old stock of buildings and off base housing that requires quite a lot of expense through upgrades. A lot of deferred upkeep required will be off the books.

 

[ngatimozart]

Property rationalization is on the cards I suspect. Reduce through sale of the old stock of buildings and off base housing that requires quite a lot of expense through upgrades. A lot of deferred upkeep required will be off the books.

Defence should have done the Hobsonville property development itself and it would have made millions. Instead private developers are getting rich off it.

 

[Shanesworld]

LAV's

Does anyone know if the LAV turret can have an ATGM mounted as a retrofit?

Something like TOW, Spike, or Jav? Has any other country tried this (as in retrofit)?
I imagine issues such as volume, power, cooling, weight and systems integration to be an issue but wondering if it was explored at anytime during its introduction.

Understand that tank killing was not the role for which they were acquired but you find yourself in the fight with what you have, not what you wished you had - so to speak
Thinking of rising tensions and if we can give the LAV some anti tank/ anti attack helicopter capacity cant be a bad thing (except for cost) might be more easily absorbed than acquiring a new combat vehicle.

Also would such a new integration possibly be stabilized for on the move usage?

Cheers,

Shane

 

[RegR]

Does anyone know if the LAV turret can have an ATGM mounted as a retrofit?

Something like TOW, Spike, or Jav? Has any other country tried this (as in retrofit)?
I imagine issues such as volume, power, cooling, weight and systems integration to be an issue but wondering if it was explored at anytime during its introduction.

Understand that tank killing was not the role for which they were acquired but you find yourself in the fight with what you have, not what you wished you had - so to speak
Thinking of rising tensions and if we can give the LAV some anti tank/ anti attack helicopter capacity cant be a bad thing (except for cost) might be more easily absorbed than acquiring a new combat vehicle.

Also would such a new integration possibly be stabilized for on the move usage?

Cheers,

Shane

Could be an option to exchange for a few of those 'surplus' NZLAVs along with some MGS to give army some organic teeth and cover whilst keeping within the same family of vehicles. Could do a swap with the yanks for some as they don't have 25mm cannon variant(could be seen as niche) and the US probably has some (TUA, MGS) in storage anyway they won't miss.

I also wonder what else they have in 'storage' these days that could/would benefit us and to a degree them.....

 

[Lucasnz]

Could be an option to exchange for a few of those 'surplus' NZLAVs along with some MGS to give army some organic teeth and cover whilst keeping within the same family of vehicles. Could do a swap with the yanks for some as they don't have 25mm cannon variant(could be seen as niche) and the US probably has some (TUA, MGS) in storage anyway they won't miss.

I also wonder what else they have in 'storage' these days that could/would benefit us and to a degree them.....

Some of the articles on the MGS I've read suggest space for the crew is a squeeze and I note the US has chosen not to enter into full rate production. I would think additional javelin or other precision strike (i.e. LAV mounted TOW / SPIKE) capability would provide provide a better capability increase for the NZDF given the 25mm is suppose to be capable of dealing with 75% of armoured threats.

 

[Cadredave]

Does anyone know if the LAV turret can have an ATGM mounted as a retrofit?

Something like TOW, Spike, or Jav? Has any other country tried this (as in retrofit)?
I imagine issues such as volume, power, cooling, weight and systems integration to be an issue but wondering if it was explored at anytime during its introduction.

Understand that tank killing was not the role for which they were acquired but you find yourself in the fight with what you have, not what you wished you had - so to speak
Thinking of rising tensions and if we can give the LAV some anti tank/ anti attack helicopter capacity cant be a bad thing (except for cost) might be more easily absorbed than acquiring a new combat vehicle.

Also would such a new integration possibly be stabilized for on the move usage?

Cheers,

Shane

Short answer is no NZDF would have to pay for the integration of Javelin into the turret as that is the only AArmd weapon we have in our inventory. To be honest NZ Army does not require such an capability as we don't have a gap as such to fill but priority is the two dismounted Infantry units then QAMR.

 

[recce.k1]

To be honest NZ Army does not require such an capability as we don't have a gap as such to fill but priority is the two dismounted Infantry units then QAMR.

What else (hypothetically) would the infantry and QAMR require to better carry out their tasks (apart from what is already in the DCP)?

Granted DCP & Force 35 covers it in a general sense as we know it now. But thinking forward, say leading up to ten years from now when by then the Army is (inter) operating a lot more seamlessly with its bigger counterparts and lessons learnt etc.

(Eg to apply the reverse and looking backwards could we have accurately predicted in 2004 what was needed in 2014? For one we weren't exercising with the US as such and look now and at the advancements for the Army in so many ways and also the catching up occurring, which then has budgetary impacts).

Presumably C5ISR/C3ISTAR etc would continue to transform the Army as we know it now?

Mind you it seems people here want to also know about target acquisition and combat systems . If the NZ Army has the ability to further enhance its niche role (in partnership with other bigger nations that undertake the "heavy stuff") do we need other new assets or simply more of what we have now to better sustain our efforts (front line and logistical etc)?