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Todjaeger
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Okay. When I think of a 'warshot' I think of an actual combat encounter, as opposed to part of an exercise.
If memory serves, there is (or by now was) a USN escort, either a frigate or destroyer which was awared the Purple Heart as part of the vessel's awards, a torpedoe attack the vessel suffered during the later part of the Cold War. Hence my interest if the RAN had been involved with something similar.
Out of curiousity, what would the RAN response be if an unknown sub contact was discovered within 12 n miles of FBE or FBW?
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Taken into the community and given a new house, new car, new furniture, sack of cash. At least that's what they do with the other people that arrive illegally by boat:hitwall
And you left out given a job checking security passes for entry to ADF bases as it is no longer acceptable to employ meth dealing bikies in the role.
t68
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Reminds me of the “Whiskey on the Rocks”, the soviets submarine incident in Sweden.
Wonder what the soviets would have done if swedes kept the boat?
Soviet Submarine W-137
Wonder what the soviets would have done if swedes kept the boat?
Soviet Submarine W-137
It just means they fired an actual live round, with an explosive warhead, at a target constructed to somewhat mimic a target they may engage in a real life scenario.
I think our live torpedo range is off the coast of Western Australia and it was the final exercise to bring MU-90 into operational service.
Yes that's it exactly.
What I was highlighting is that MU90 was bought for the ADF a proven, in service, Military Off The Shelf (MOTS) system about a decade ago. The intent was for it to be a low risk system to equip the ADFs major surface combatants and ASW tasked aircraft.
The issue is that it was not MOTS but rather still developmental and Australia was forced to take the lead in certifying the system. The resulting delays and cost increases resulted in the scope of the project being reduced and the ADF ending up with three rather than a single type of light weight ASW torpedo.
t68
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Seems to be an ever increasing problem with MOTS buys from Europe, not saying everything from the USA is perfect out of the box but we just seem to have less integration problems. Did we have many of the same problems when we purchase majority of our equipment from the UK
I can't think of any developmental, cutting edge hardware we bought from the UK.
All the ships were proven versions, all the systems were basic systems and the only naval missile was Seacat which was a simple manual guided weapon.
The DDG purchase was perfect timing for the RAN. We got a missile system (Tartar) that worked well for most of the time and radars that were way ahead of what was available from the UK (SPS 52). We were extremely fortunate to have stayed right away from the RN Sea Slug and early Sea Dart systems.
To be fair, until the late 60's system integration was not a problem because everything was manual and separate. The big move came with the half life DDG refits when NTDS was introduced. Until then, individual systems on a DDG were; Surface Gunnery, AA Gunnery, Tartar, Ikara, EW (ULQ 6) and handraulic compilation of both the air plot, local surface plot and the general wider surface plot. What intergration? That was the PWO/ Command function and then they could make decisions.
The_Wrecker
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Hi all. Long time reader but seldom post.
Firstly, thanks to all members who deliver such great content to the thread on a regular basis. As a suburban office worker looking in, I find it all of great interest.
I do have a question for those more well informed than myself (just about everyone on here lol).
What was the reason for HMAS Stuart doing a hull swap with HMAS Anzac?
It seems as this isn't the first time hull swaps have been undertaken? I'm just not educated enough on the subject to understand the reasons behind doing so....
Any clarification would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Cheers.
Firstly, thanks to all members who deliver such great content to the thread on a regular basis. As a suburban office worker looking in, I find it all of great interest.
I do have a question for those more well informed than myself (just about everyone on here lol).
What was the reason for HMAS Stuart doing a hull swap with HMAS Anzac?
It seems as this isn't the first time hull swaps have been undertaken? I'm just not educated enough on the subject to understand the reasons behind doing so....
Any clarification would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Cheers.
I haven't seen the ASMD upgrade order for the class but Arunta and Anzac are due to be completed this year in that order.
If the upgrade follows the build order (forgetting Perth),the next cabs of the rank are Warramunga and Stuart.
I assume Warramunga will exchange with Arunta and therefor Stuart will swap with Anzac sometime in 2014
Chris
The_Wrecker
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Thanks Assail, that sounds about right.
The thing I don't understand is why don't they just change the crew over and leave the original name/pennant number (Anzac/150) on the ship?
It appears as if the Anzac has been completely renamed Stuart.
Also, does that mean Stuart is already being upgraded or has it just been placed into storage?
Cheers.
The ship stays the same with their original pennant nos, only the crew change.
To date only Perth has completed the upgrade, Arunta shoul commission with Warramunga's crew in April and Anzac with Stuart's crew in November.
Both Warramunga and Stuart will be out of commission upgrading at the same time.
BAE Henderson upgrades 2ships side by side in a stepped process.
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The_Wrecker
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Thanks again Assail.
I guess my confusion comes about due to the fact that since the change over Stuart seems to have the older cupola on the 5 inch gun.
All previous pics of the ship prior to the swap show her with the newer low radar vis. version. Is this something that is often changed around?
Just to be clear ONLY Perth has completed the upgrade. She has the old shield for the 5" as her gun was used as part of the systems integration and was purchased early in the process.
The ANZAC and ARUNTA are undergoing conversion. The STUART is not yet in conversion so the image you have seen may have been of PERTH.
The_Wrecker
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Thanks for the reply alexsa.
I am starting to think that I have either opened a can of worms or that my brain in fried from the heat here in Melbourne over the passed week.
I was sure that I have seen photos of the Stuart with both versions of the shield so I did some digging. Here is what I found.
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As an infrequent poster I hope the above photos attached correctly....
Anyway, can anyone shed some further light on the issue as to whether the hulls were swapped or just the gun shields?
The guns are swapped around the fleet depending upon refits schedules and availability.
Yep, in my memory there has never been a hull swap between ships of the same class in the RAN. Names have carried over to other ships in other classes when one pays off.
The_Wrecker
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OK. no worries.
Thank you both for your replies. That now explains everything. For some reason I was having trouble comprehending the situation. It makes sense that while Anzac along with Arunta are being updated some of their kit is being used elsewhere in the fleet.
Thanks again.
Thank you both for your replies. That now explains everything. For some reason I was having trouble comprehending the situation. It makes sense that while Anzac along with Arunta are being updated some of their kit is being used elsewhere in the fleet.
Thanks again.
blueorchid
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HMAS Stuart Gun
The gun on HMAS Stuart is from the retired USS Radford, which was overhauled by BAE Systems Australia who have the contract for overhauling all the MK45's in the RAN. as each of the Anzac's are upgraded for the ASMD they will received a overhauled gun.
This means that the RAN now have nine MK45's for the eight Anzac's .
Cheers
The gun on HMAS Stuart is from the retired USS Radford, which was overhauled by BAE Systems Australia who have the contract for overhauling all the MK45's in the RAN. as each of the Anzac's are upgraded for the ASMD they will received a overhauled gun.
This means that the RAN now have nine MK45's for the eight Anzac's .
Cheers
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