Qaher 313 New Iranian Fighter Jet

[Feanor]

MiG-15 is also roughly the same size as Q-313 and it was a combat aircraft.

True, but the MiG-15 was a cockpit sitting on top of a jet engine, with some wings attached to it. This on the other hand has a very cool looking airframe. Something that wouldn't look out of place in a Sci-Fi flick. But the air intakes are tiny, as is the engine in the rear. The canards are almost bigger then the wings. And of course the cockpit not only looks very large, but also very far forward. If this were a real aircraft, there wouldn't be much room for a radar in front of it. Honestly this isn't even a good fake. The Iranians have MiG-29 airframes, and F-14 airframes. I'd think they could at least have looked at those before building this "fighter jet".

 

[simplex]

So you believe this aircraft to be subsonic only then? Please point me to something which explains this.

F-117 was also subsonic.

Also point me to something that supports your claim that a fully loaded one of these will be between 4 - 5000kg.

MiG-15 (about the same size as F-313) had:
Empty weight: 3,580 kg
Loaded weight: 4,960 kg

 

[simplex]

True, but the MiG-15 was a cockpit sitting on top of a jet engine, with some wings attached to it. This on the other hand has a very cool looking ... But the air intakes are tiny,

Here are the two air intakes of Mig 15 (bottom picture):
File:Mig-15 schema.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
They are tiny also.

And of course the cockpit not only looks very large, but also very far forward. If this were a real aircraft, there wouldn't be much room for a radar in front of it.

And what do you want to do with that (powerful) radar aboard a low speed stealth plane? Communicate your position and speed to the enemy to get hunted easily by supersonic fighters?

 

[SpudmanWP]

More points (like I need to make them )

6. No hook or latch mechanism to hold the canopy closed during flight

7. The airspeed dial (upper left of console) redlines at 250-275 knots

8. No cockpit seal

9. Cockpit rim is about 1cm thick... not enough to be structurally sound.

On the issue of the seat, look again at the pilot who is actually sitting in the seat. In that position he cannot reach his feet or the console, even with the restraints loose.

The problem with making augments in support of this "fighter" being anything more than a mockup is that for a lot of us outside Iran and on this (and other boards), we've actually laid hands on actual current military hardware. We've seen 1st hand what a cockpit, landing gear, the skin, etc actualy look like and feel like.

This aint it.

 

[RobWilliams]

F-117 was also subsonic.


MiG-15 (about the same size as F-313) had:
Empty weight: 3,580 kg
Loaded weight: 4,960 kg

F-117 was a bomber, I thought this aircraft is down to be a 'fighter'? Unless that's all part of a clever deception plan, the most clever aspect being that it's made us think this aircraft is nothing more than a mockup . . .

If your figure is ONLY based on that it's kinda the same size as a MiG-15, then that's the final straw & it's safe to say i'm done with this thread. The MiG-15 would have had different materials, different airframe design, different powerplant, all of those things + others would have an effect on the airframe weight and most probably the MTOW of the aircraft.

If you judge it by size and size alone, then i'm done.

EDIT: Ok, now you're trying to justify that the aircraft doesn't need a high performance radar.

 

[simplex]

7. The airspeed dial (upper left of console) redlines at 250-275 knots

... We've seen 1st hand what a cockpit, landing gear, the skin, etc actualy look like and feel like.

275 knots = 510 km/h

So, it appears that the Iranian F-313 flights with no more that 510 km/h. At this speed you do not need more cockpit and landing gear technology than a plane from 1935.

Do not compare some large supersonic fighter jets, you may have seen, with F-313.

 

[SpudmanWP]

At least planes from 1935 had a canopy that you could lock closed and switches that could actually be reached.

But what the heck, I'll give you that they made their own plane from 1935 tech

 

[gf0012-aust]

I have come out of reading this post dumber for the experience....

Simplex, henaselakesan if you're going to try and have a technical argument with people then you picked the wrong people to challenge, all of the posters trying to be reasonable and discuss actual technical issues are long term members who have a significant degree of credibility - it would be wiser for you to pause and understand rather than doing the Don Quixote

its apparent that both of you understand little about LO/VLO aircraft constructs/conops, let alone the technical issues surrounding aircraft design into a modern force construct.

Thread closed for discussion by Mod team, but I wouldn't bank on it getting re-opened