Royal Australian Navy Discussions and Updates

[ASSAIL]

Cantabria has arrived in Souda Bay. There's a nice facebook entry on the RAN site
http://www.facebook.com/RoyalAustra...abria-deployment-life-onboard/572512699430101

Hope she has an uneventual canal transit.
Cheers

 

[ngatimozart]

Cantabria has arrived in Souda Bay. There's a nice facebook entry on the RAN site
http://www.facebook.com/RoyalAustra...abria-deployment-life-onboard/572512699430101

Hope she has an uneventual canal transit.
Cheers

That looked like an MG42 / MG3 machine gun in one of those shootex photos. Very high cyclic rate of 1200 rounds per minute. The MG42 was used by the Germans in WW2 & fired a 7.92mm round. The MG3 is the post war West German version rebored to fire the NATO 7.62 x 51mm round.

 

[hairyman]

blueorchard, you are correct. I must have gotten confused with the Beaufighter, Beaufort, Mustang, and Mosquito, which were all made in Australia during World War II.

 

[old faithful]

Re CDT,s , Thanks Abe. Thants all I wanted to know, and what I thought.

 

[Sea Toby]

Cantabria has arrived in Souda Bay. There's a nice facebook entry on the RAN site
http://www.facebook.com/RoyalAustra...abria-deployment-life-onboard/572512699430101

Hope she has an uneventual canal transit.
Cheers

While I don't know whether the sailor who wrote this on Facebook had any help writing it, that person's written English was very good. Better than a google translation from Spanish.

 

[gf0012-aust]

While I don't know whether the sailor who wrote this on Facebook had any help writing it, that person's written English was very good. Better than a google translation from Spanish.

I worked overseas for a number of years, and specifically with the spanish, danes, germans, dutch, austrians

there's no shortage of euros who are multi-lingual and who can craft english docs to a better std than primary speakers

 

[ASSAIL]

Hmas choules

Questions for those that know:

Are there any plans to modify the airflows around the transformers as they are being replaced?

Does this link http://www.ran-skilledhands.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10021/Largs_Bay.pdf have any validity? because there seems to be some circumstantial
basis to it.

 

[Trackmaster]

Questions for those that know:

Are there any plans to modify the airflows around the transformers as they are being replaced?

Does this link http://www.ran-skilledhands.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10021/Largs_Bay.pdf have any validity? because there seems to be some circumstantial
basis to it.

I take on board the question of whether this report is valid....

But as a civilian employed in the risk area...mining, infrastructure...all I can say is...Bloody hell!!

 

[justsomeaussie]

ABC news this evening reported closer ties with the RN and hinted that UK could work very close with Australia in the development of our future frigate/subs.

I've heared this before from a reliable source of a concept where we do a technology transfer of Austal's MRV for the UK OCV program and in exchange they transfer the Type26 for the ANZAC MkII

What are people's thoughts on this concept?

 

[Volkodav]

ABC news this evening reported closer ties with the RN and hinted that UK could work very close with Australia in the development of our future frigate/subs.

I've heared this before from a reliable source of a concept where we do a technology transfer of Austal's MRV for the UK OCV program and in exchange they transfer the Type26 for the ANZAC MkII

What are people's thoughts on this concept?

Well unless the UK is getting back into the conventional sub game and are planing to buy into the Collins Class replacement I thinks the subs comment is pretty worthless (i.e. Australia has a more recent ans successful conventional program that the UK has).

On the frigate side they need to offer US compatable combat systems or its a no goer, not just for interoperability with the USN but with our own fleet.. Probably add propulsion machinery to that as well. Is a Type 26 with CEAFAR Mk 41, Standard / ESSM, a Mk 45 5"gun and LM 2500 GTs still a Type 26?

 

[winnyfield]

ABC news this evening reported closer ties with the RN and hinted that UK could work very close with Australia in the development of our future frigate/subs.

I've heared this before from a reliable source of a concept where we do a technology transfer of Austal's MRV for the UK OCV program and in exchange they transfer the Type26 for the ANZAC MkII

What are people's thoughts on this concept?

Its a buyer's market for frigates and patrol/corvettes.

 

[justsomeaussie]

Well unless the UK is getting back into the conventional sub game and are planing to buy into the Collins Class replacement I thinks the subs comment is pretty worthless (i.e. Australia has a more recent ans successful conventional program that the UK has).

On the frigate side they need to offer US compatable combat systems or its a no goer, not just for interoperability with the USN but with our own fleet.. Probably add propulsion machinery to that as well. Is a Type 26 with CEAFAR Mk 41, Standard / ESSM, a Mk 45 5"gun and LM 2500 GTs still a Type 26?

As I understood it would be more of an information transfer rather than hardware. You give me your sub engineers and ILS managers and ill teach you how to build aluminium ships type of thing.

 

[John Newman]

A bit more on the current visit by the UK Def Min:

UK, Aust to hold defence talks in Perth

Not suprising they want us to join the Type 26 project, so nothing really new about that.

But one paragraph caught my attention, it reads:

"Mr Hammond said the requirement of six frigates in Australia and 13 in the UK meant both countries needed to make their defence dollars go further for maximum military output."

So does the UK Def Min Hammond know something we don't? Australia's requirement "six" and not "eight"?

Could just be just the usual mis-reporting that the media does, or maybe there is more to it and the next White Paper will be cutting the Future Frigate program back to 6.

Just have to wait and see!


EDIT:

Just saw this media release from the Defence Web site:

http://www.minister.defence.gov.au/...efence-philip-hammond-bae-shipyard-henderson/

I'll repeat a couple of the paragraphs:

JOURNALIST: So it seems like a very much British-lead relationship, as you’ve been talking about procurement. What does Australia bring to this relationship that Britain perceives?

PHILIP HAMMOND: Well, on the frigates program our requirements for frigates, I think, yours would be around-do you have a number?

STEPHEN SMITH: Frigates?

PHILIP HAMMOND: Yeah.

STEPHEN SMITH: Half a dozen, six.

PHILIP HAMMOND: Half a dozen. We have a requirement for about 13, so clearly if you’re planning to build a program of 19 frigates you have a lot more potential economies of scale in that, and we will both benefit from those economies of scale.


So there you go, from Smith's mouth "Half a dozen, six".

Looks like the Frigate program is being cut by 25%, so much for supporting Australian shipbuilding, and of course the Navy too!

 

[aussienscale]

Also found this one from this morning:

Australia to sign defence treaty with UK

I think if we were to join in on the project they would be built in Australia and not the UK. I think it would cost us more in the long run though, economies of scale and all.

We already have the experience and tech set up with the AWD hulls, so this now becomes a sunk cost for only 3 hulls ! It just does not make sence to me at all, hopefully Labour is out before a decision is made

Cheers

 

[gf0012-aust]

Also found this one from this morning:

Australia to sign defence treaty with UK

I think if we were to join in on the project they would be built in Australia and not the UK. I think it would cost us more in the long run though, economies of scale and all.

We already have the experience and tech set up with the AWD hulls, so this now becomes a sunk cost for only 3 hulls ! It just does not make sence to me at all, hopefully Labour is out before a decision is made

Cheers

It will make LTGEN Peter Leahy (Rtd) happy, he always wanted us weaned off US kit

fitout will be interesting

 

[Padfoot]

Well unless the UK is getting back into the conventional sub game and are planing to buy into the Collins Class replacement I thinks the subs comment is pretty worthless (i.e. Australia has a more recent ans successful conventional program that the UK has).

On the frigate side they need to offer US compatable combat systems or its a no goer, not just for interoperability with the USN but with our own fleet.. Probably add propulsion machinery to that as well. Is a Type 26 with CEAFAR Mk 41, Standard / ESSM, a Mk 45 5"gun and LM 2500 GTs still a Type 26?

I'm confused as to why the Type 26 must use LM 2500 turbines to suit Australia? Don't many US navy ships use RR turbines, even the Zumwalt class, I believe?.

Are not RN ships compatible with USN ships?

Doesn't the same company design/manufacture ships for both countries? Doesn't it make sense that to use just the one design?

Seems a no brainer to me.

 

[aussienscale]

It will make LTGEN Peter Leahy (Rtd) happy, he always wanted us weaned off US kit

fitout will be interesting

Fitout will be a minefield I think.

As for US kit, Leahy can sing from the rooftops all he likes, as you know GF there is a reason for US kit, and it isnt just the obvious ones either

Cheers

 

[gf0012-aust]

Fitout will be a minefield I think.

As for US kit, Leahy can sing from the rooftops all he likes, as you know GF there is a reason for US kit, and it isnt just the obvious ones either

Cheers

Yeah, I always struggle to understand why some ex uniforms have this need to wave the anti-US gear flag when they know full well why we use it over euro gear

it sure isn't about price

 

[uuname]

Looks like the Frigate program is being cut by 25%, so much for supporting Australian shipbuilding, and of course the Navy too!

Could this be related to an increase in the AWD build? It may be wishful thinking, but adding 2 AWDs and removing two frigates would have to be a good thing...

 

[Padfoot]

Fitout will be a minefield I think.

As for US kit, Leahy can sing from the rooftops all he likes, as you know GF there is a reason for US kit, and it isnt just the obvious ones either

Cheers

Maybe it's a BAE thing? The promise of Australian expertise in design and manufacturing, an independence if you will. Probably makes sense in the long term. I'm probably way off though.