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[aussienscale]

Again I don't know if I'm right or wrong, but it does appear likely when comparing the two photos.

With JC1 being first of class there was bound to be changes made for follow on ships, apart from specific Australian modifications to the original design.

If it is what I think it is, maybe there was an issue with the arm being mounted down too low on JC1, maybe the mount on JC1 might change in the future too.

The protrusion on Canberra looks bloody ugly, but obviously its been positioned there for a reason.

Thanks for that, must have missed your original post

Looking at the 2 pictures what you say makes sence, because the Canberra does not have the RAS station on the STBD side of the island as the JC1 does that gives it the capability to refuel escorts, there would possibly be a change and requirement for different rigging on the front of the bridge for our requirements

Cheers

 

[John Newman]

Thanks for that, must have missed your original post

Looking at the 2 pictures what you say makes sence, because the Canberra does not have the RAS station on the STBD side of the island as the JC1 does that gives it the capability to refuel escorts, there would possibly be a change and requirement for different rigging on the front of the bridge for our requirements

Cheers

No problem, just hope I'm right!

I would assume that the rig at the front is only for receiving and not transferring fuel?

Yes I've seen the photos of the RAS station on JC1 to the Stbd side of the back of the Island as you mentioned. I'm sure it's been covered here before, but I do wonder why they deleted that capability?

Yes we will operate the LHD's a little different to how Spain will, especially not carrying fixed wing aircraft in that particular role, but why delete that capability?

Is it to do with a change in the internal fuel tank layout or their capacity?

Or is to do with the "powers that be" deciding that we had more than enough at sea refuelling capability with Success, etc, "cough, splutter, choke, ha, ha!!"

I would have though, if possible or practical, it would have been a good capability for the LHD's to have, eg refuel their escorts at sea.

Found this old photo of Melbourne refuelling Quickmatch from either the late 50's or early 60's.

Obviously something we won't see the LHD's doing.

Cheers.

 

[John Newman]

For a change of pace.....

Talking of HMAS Melbourne, came aross this on Youtube:

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqVe4kskB7U"]RC HMAS MELBOURNE - YouTube[/nomedia]


Its a 7min video of an RC HMAS Melbourne!

Takes a few mins to get going, loading her with ballast for stability, but the funny bit comes at around the 5min mark when the "RC Melbourne" nearly takes out another RC ship on the pond, shades of Voyager and Frank E Evans.

That aside, it's an impressive model of Melbourne at, what looks like, the height of her capability, Skyhawks, Trackers and Sea Kings.

Anyway, just a change of pace with Christmas just around the corner, thought you might enjoy seeing it.

Cheers!

 

[Milne Bay]

No problem, just hope I'm right!

I would assume that the rig at the front is only for receiving and not transferring fuel?

Yes I've seen the photos of the RAS station on JC1 to the Stbd side of the back of the Island as you mentioned. I'm sure it's been covered here before, but I do wonder why they deleted that capability?

Yes we will operate the LHD's a little different to how Spain will, especially not carrying fixed wing aircraft in that particular role, but why delete that capability?

Is it to do with a change in the internal fuel tank layout or their capacity?

Or is to do with the "powers that be" deciding that we had more than enough at sea refuelling capability with Success, etc, "cough, splutter, choke, ha, ha!!"

I would have though, if possible or practical, it would have been a good capability for the LHD's to have, eg refuel their escorts at sea.

Found this old photo of Melbourne refuelling Quickmatch from either the late 50's or early 60's.

Obviously something we won't see the LHD's doing.

Cheers.

Why could this elevated rig not be used for transferring fuel as well as for receiving it?
Puzzled
MB

 

[John Newman]

Why could this elevated rig not be used for transferring fuel as well as for receiving it?
Puzzled
MB

I wouldn't know either, but seeing that JC1 has two sets of rigs, the one at the front of the Island (the one in question in the photos) and the other at the rear of the Island and that Canberra only has the one at the front, maybe there is a difference.

Maybe its to do with "plumbing", the front is only for receiving, whilst the larger rig at the back, not on Canberra, is connected to an outbound pumping system.

I don't know, I'm sure someone here might know.

EDIT: Not saying its the same, but at a petrol station a tanker conects to the inlet pipe and pumps its load into the tank, somewhere else on the tank there is a connection to bowsers which then pump the fuel into a car, it would be two separate systems, in and out.

Is this the same situation? that I don't know.

 

[the road runner]

Here is an interview by Sky news with the Chief of Navy Vice Admiral Ray Griggs Talking about extending the life of Collins Class out to 2038.

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWI3gzNVuMw"]Chief of Navy interview with Sky News - YouTube[/nomedia]

Liked how the Admiral had to explain the type 216 is a concept and not an off the shelf type sub to the sky interviewer.

 

[aussienscale]

Why could this elevated rig not be used for transferring fuel as well as for receiving it?
Puzzled
MB

To receive fuel, ships have a receiving connector (female) where the pumping hose or probe (male connection) is passed by the supplier, the hose used is a flexible collapsable hose, much like a fire hose, so you can pump one way, but try sucking it back

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underway_replenishment"]Underway replenishment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

I know its Wiki, but it has a pretty good description and some good pics and diagrams

Cheers

 

[Milne Bay]

To receive fuel, ships have a receiving connector (female) where the pumping hose or probe (male connection) is passed by the supplier, the hose used is a flexible collapsable hose, much like a fire hose, so you can pump one way, but try sucking it back

Underway replenishment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know its Wiki, but it has a pretty good description and some good pics and diagrams

Cheers

Why can't the fuel station have both connectors and two service pipes. Seems sensible to have both send and receive connectors in the same place, instead of different parts of the ship. Unlikely to be taking on fuel and re-fuelling some other ship at the same time.
Just askin'.

 

[ASSAIL]

NT police have arrested a 26 yr old man and charged him with the assault of a sailor and the theft of the small arms from an ACPB. He is the second man charged over this incident.
No details as yet.
Good work NT Police

 

[ASSAIL]

NT police have arrested a 26 yr old man and charged him with the assault of a sailor and the theft of the small arms from an ACPB. He is the second man charged over this incident.
No details as yet.
Good work NT Police

News now coming to hand. It was, as many of us had thought, an inside job.

Sailor charged over Navy patrol boat raid

 

[hauritz]

I noticed another recently uploaded youtube vid concerning the retirement of 3 of the RANs LCHs.

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8TggeyJqik"]Landing Craft Heavy Decommissioning Ceremonies - YouTube[/nomedia]

 

[alexsa]

I noticed another recently uploaded youtube vid concerning the retirement of 3 of the RANs LCHs.

Landing Craft Heavy Decommissioning Ceremonies - YouTube

Brilliant, get rid of capability before the replacement project even gets going. Fear not we have spent 130 million on the Ocean Shield. Fantastic offshore vessel but a pointless waste of money.

 

[gf0012-aust]

Brilliant, get rid of capability before the replacement project even gets going. Fear not we have spent 130 million on the Ocean Shield. Fantastic offshore vessel but a pointless waste of money.

Thats because some genius has told the Minister that we're not at risk in the deltra between decomm of these and the incoming new

everyone knows that there's no shortage of commercial vessels that we can pull up and lease ar short notice /rolling eyes - and better still, employ civilians so that we don't have extra costs and commitments against using RAN personnel....

we'll just contract another company with no relevant skills to do an assessment and select another vessel for RAN to use on short term acquisition.

/smirk on

 

[Todjaeger]

Thats because some genius has told the Minister that we're not at risk in the deltra between decomm of these and the incoming new

everyone knows that there's no shortage of commercial vessels that we can pull up and lease ar short notice /rolling eyes - and better still, employ civilians so that we don't have extra costs and commitments against using RAN personnel....

we'll just contract another company with no relevant skills to do an assessment and select another vessel for RAN to use on short term acquisition.

/smirk on

Any points for correct guessing who will be handling legals for such a deal? Or am I seeing more into this than need be... ;p

-Cheers

 

[gf0012-aust]

Any points for correct guessing who will be handling legals for such a deal? Or am I seeing more into this than need be... ;p

-Cheers

meh,

you'll just have to ignore my rants as someone disillusioned with the whole sorry box of frogs .....

- uniforms who feel completely disrespected by the suits in power
- uniforms who resent seeing their bosses treated with indifference by the ruling suits
- staff who see processes and platforms accepted in breach of what are regarded as basic safeguards to proper assessment when spending the public purse
- platforms procured that the service chiefs don't want - but gift horse rules apply (CREF Alexas and his prev)
- defence taking a hit on budget just to help govt achieve a red tick in the balance ledger - and now they're abandoning their position anyway
- whistleblowers treated like the enemy (see Customs)

the sad thing is that the opposition are just as hopeless wrt quality debate and engagement

lets just hope they don't automatically throw out anything to do with the curr Govt's decisions as some things are worth keeping

defence is going to get caught up in a continuing idealogical war at the expense of what they actually want and need.

and then we have to put up with broadsheet heroes like Hugh White who have got NFI about modern warfare etc....

/grinch off
/post apocalypse smile on

 

[alexsa]

Thats because some genius has told the Minister that we're not at risk in the deltra between decomm of these and the incoming new

everyone knows that there's no shortage of commercial vessels that we can pull up and lease ar short notice /rolling eyes - and better still, employ civilians so that we don't have extra costs and commitments against using RAN personnel....

we'll just contract another company with no relevant skills to do an assessment and select another vessel for RAN to use on short term acquisition.

/smirk on

Actually there is a bit of a dearth of landing craft in the weight range AND able to ground on un prepared beaches, (most use ramps and wedges in a permanent facility.


Still who are we question such assumption

 

[hauritz]

I don't get why the replacement of the LCH is getting such little attention.

To start with it is a cheap program that will give valuable work to our shipyards at a time when that work is desperately needed. They could have pretty much funded it from the purchase of the Skandi Bergen.

As it is their replacements aren't due to enter service until the 2020s.

 

[hauritz]

A draft copy of the 2013 White Paper has been obtained by The Australian newspaper.

Significant is the warning that the global recession will have a serious impact on defence spending.

Australia's committment to building 12 new subs has been reaffirmed but there seems to have been some backing away from other commitments made in the 2009 white paper in regard to the surface fleet.

Instead it is only saying that defence will keep its options open in regard to future warships. It sounds to me like the government has decided to rob Peter to pay Paul with its funding of the new submarine fleet coming from other ship building programs.

The emphasis in this white paper will apparantly be on regional defence.

For those with a subscription to the Australian you can go here.

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

 

[ngatimozart]

A draft copy of the 2013 White Paper has been obtained by The Australian newspaper.

Significant is the warning that the global recession will have a serious impact on defence spending.

Australia's committment to building 12 new subs has been reaffirmed but there seems to have been some backing away from other commitments made in the 2009 white paper in regard to the surface fleet.

Instead it is only saying that defence will keep its options open in regard to future warships. It sounds to me like the government has decided to rob Peter to pay Paul with its funding of the new submarine fleet coming from other ship building programs.

The emphasis in this white paper will apparantly be on regional defence.

For those with a subscription to the Australian you can go here.

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

If you haven't got a subscription google: Chinese military power 'shifting Pacific balance', says defence white paper

 

[StoresBasher]

Forgot to mention from Jan 13 the Supply Community is changing names and so are the categories within.
Will be know as, Maritime Logistics Community
Supply Officer - Maritime Logistics Officer
Stores Naval - Maritime Logistics Supply Chain (ML-SC)
Writer - Maritime Logistics Personnel (ML-P)
Cook - Maritime Logistics Chef (ML-C)
Steward - Maritime Logistics Steward (ML-S)
The new titles were decided by a vote by current serving Supply Branch sailors and officers.