Is this a panaromic sight?
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The turret and gun looks like the system Denel Land Systems is making for Malaysia.
The Optronic system mounted on top of the turret does have 360 rotation, the actual gunners sight - to the left of the main gun recessed behind some armour obviously looks forward (relative to the turret) only.
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It is the Denel turret. Do you know if the turrets fitted with Ingwe have 1 or 2 launchers fitted on each side? The contract to Denel includes 54 turrets fitted with Ingwe.
I'll enquire from my local contacts and get back to you asap.
So far I have found a variety of launcher configrations, but not yet the MCT's.
The "original" ZT3 on the Ratel has three tubes side by side in a box shaped launcher.
The launcher used on ATE's "Super Hind" has four "semi-open" tubes.
The Light Combat Turret by DLS (unmanned turret for light vehicles) uses two pairs of tubes arranged horizontally on either side of the optronics unit.
Some people I know will be at the Africa Aerospace and Defence Show in Pretoria this week. With a little luck DLS might reveal the MCT Ingwe's configuration there, I'll ask them to keep an eye out for it.
The "original" ZT3 on the Ratel has three tubes side by side in a box shaped launcher.
The launcher used on ATE's "Super Hind" has four "semi-open" tubes.
The Light Combat Turret by DLS (unmanned turret for light vehicles) uses two pairs of tubes arranged horizontally on either side of the optronics unit.
Some people I know will be at the Africa Aerospace and Defence Show in Pretoria this week. With a little luck DLS might reveal the MCT Ingwe's configuration there, I'll ask them to keep an eye out for it.
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Thanks, appreciate it.
If you look at the pic of the photo I posted, on the far left, there's a drawing of the turret fitted with the Ingwe missiles. The launchers are fitted to the sides of the turret., just can't make out the number of launchers. Also, on the turret which is fitted with a 30mm gun, there is a commander's panoramic 360 degree sight. Would it be possible to find out if this was made by a Denel subsidiary or another company? I know the periscopes were not supplied by Denel but from a British company, Kent Periscopes.
Denel was the main contender to supply the turrets from the very start but there was a last minute attempt by Oto Melara to get the contract. Will be interesting to see if the turret fitted to the SA army's Badger will be the same turret as that ordered by the Malaysians.
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The Ingwe missile armed version of the SA Army's "Badger"
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-QdCG-igQxv4/UGBv-3oY1lI/AAAAAAAAAYQ/qA-iXI1iV9s/s912/IMG_5727.JPG
The answer is 4 missiles - two on each side.
I'm not sure if there is supposed to be a main (30mm) gun and the cover where the gun would be is just temporary or if none is intended to be installed. In that case the cover might be shielding the missile guidance system. There is a "slot" in the turret for a machine gun (above the rear view mirror in this photo)
Note that the optics unit on top of the turret is not the same as the one on the Malaysian turret.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-QdCG-igQxv4/UGBv-3oY1lI/AAAAAAAAAYQ/qA-iXI1iV9s/s912/IMG_5727.JPG
The answer is 4 missiles - two on each side.
I'm not sure if there is supposed to be a main (30mm) gun and the cover where the gun would be is just temporary or if none is intended to be installed. In that case the cover might be shielding the missile guidance system. There is a "slot" in the turret for a machine gun (above the rear view mirror in this photo)
Note that the optics unit on top of the turret is not the same as the one on the Malaysian turret.
Turret's name is LCT30.
ATGW turret sports 4 fire-ready Ingwe missiles.
Denel website (not very informative):
http://denellandsystems.co.za/infantry_systems/LCT30.html
http://denellandsystems.co.za/infantry_systems/LCT30_ATGW.html
Ad brochure uploaded to scribd:
[ame="http://www.scribd.com/doc/39243143/Denel-Turret-Lct30"]Denel Turret Lct30[/ame]
€dit/ Somehow hadn't seen Dodger's last post. He said it already.
ATGW turret sports 4 fire-ready Ingwe missiles.
Denel website (not very informative):
http://denellandsystems.co.za/infantry_systems/LCT30.html
http://denellandsystems.co.za/infantry_systems/LCT30_ATGW.html
Ad brochure uploaded to scribd:
[ame="http://www.scribd.com/doc/39243143/Denel-Turret-Lct30"]Denel Turret Lct30[/ame]
€dit/ Somehow hadn't seen Dodger's last post. He said it already.
Denel Dynamics (the missile division) has a much better website but unfortunately their downloadable Product Brochure PDF is broken. It downloads but won't open. I have sent them a note about the problem so hopefully it will be fixed soon.
http://www.deneldynamics.co.za
http://www.deneldynamics.co.za
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No, the LCT (Light Combat Turret) is a much smaller unmanned turret for light vehicles.
The Modular Combat Turret (MCT) range is a series of two-man turrets for full-size ICVs.
I posted a link to a photo of the LCT earlier in this thread.
This - Denel Land Systems | Infantry Systems - MCT Missile - is the hoplessly inadequate page on the DLS website for the MCT Missile turret.
I finally got the Scribd link to work! I hate Denels's habit of changing the names of stuff so often. The doc on scribd is what is now called the Modular Combat Turret (MCT).
The "Light Combat Turret (LCT)" name has been recycled for a completely different small unmanned turret (or Remote Weapons Station) intended for light vehicles - one of which also mounts 4 Ingwe missiles.
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Thanks for the photo! It looks more compact than the Malaysian one which is bigger and sticks out like a sore thumb. The question that comes to mind is does bigger mean that the Malaysian optics has a slightly longer range?
The turret in the photos appears to only have launchers for 2 missiles though. And I assume the rough finishing on the glacis is an anti-slip coating?
Help me get this right. Ingwee was formerly called ZT-3 and Mokopa is a completely different missile right? I've been told that the technology used on Ingwee was originally taken from a TOW 1 that Denel got hold off, not sure how true this is.
Off-topic but apart from a barrel temprature monitor, what other improvements did the G-5 Mk2 have over the G-5 Mk1?
The launchers have a horizontal oblong shape to contain two missile tubes side by side - look at the shape of the cover on the front. Basically it looks like they took the "open tubes" launcher used on the LCT and "wrapped" it in some light armour.
Yes the Ingwe's early development was called ZT-3. It is a "TOW-class" missile although laser rather than wire-guided. Back in the 70s-80s in the often thick bush of Angola the SA Army found the the wire-guided Entac to be useless, so they insisted on a "wireless" replacement.
I have heard of, but not yet seen, a manpack Ingwe launcher. It probably never got further than a design concept because the SA Army already has the Milan in that role.
The Mokopa is indeed a significantly larger missile - very similar to Hellfire, although a bit longer ranged. (10k compared to 8k) It is laser-homing rather than laser-guided, allowing the target designator to be located away from the launcher.
The G5/6 guns have undergone so many improvements and upgrades over the years that keeping track of which mark/model/variant had what changes is not easy.
There are 4 different models:
Mk 1, 2 and 3 all have 45cal barrels while the G5-2000 has a 52cal barrel.
Here is a fairly useful article - South African Military History Society - Journal- SOUTH AFRICA'S MODERN LONG TOM - unfortunately it dates from 1992 so only covers the early history.
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