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Abraham Gubler

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Marc 1 said:
Hmmm.... Ships uniform: Mismatched trackie dacks with a packet of Drum tabacco under he sleeve.. And before anyone decides I'm being a tad hard on the place , I live there and had to step around the blood where my next door neighbour was stabbed last Wed night. It turns out that Queensland supporters with a belly full of idiot soup turn nasty when their team loses Sate of Origin.
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It’s not a bad idea. You could name a whole class along these lines: HMA Ships Inala, Maroubra, Mount Barker, Dandenong, Snowtown, Hall’s Creek, etc. As the Iron Duke said:

“I don't know if they frighten the enemy, but they scare the hell out of me.”
 
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I think we'll see 16 Air-Land Regiment standing on the flight decks with their RBS-70's before we see any of that, apart maybe from Phalanx Block 1B...
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IIRC the RAN has 9 Phalanx CIWS in its pool, 6 for the original 6 FFGs, 2 that came with the LPAs and 1 for training. 3 will be needed for the AWDs, leaving 6 available that could be fitted to the the LHAs, Choules and support vessels if/when they are deployed in harms way. The question is whether all will be upgraded to 1B standard. IMO, unless they are so worn out that it would be uneconomical, it would be wasteful not to do so.
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Tasman said:
IIRC the RAN has 9 Phalanx CIWS in its pool, 6 for the original 6 FFGs, 2 that came with the LPAs and 1 for training. 3 will be needed for the AWDs, leaving 6 available that could be fitted to the the LHAs, Choules and support vessels if/when they are deployed in harms way. The question is whether all will be upgraded to 1B standard. IMO, unless they are so worn out that it would be uneconomical, it would be wasteful not to do so.
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Hard to imagine how they could be worn out.
Never fired a shot in anger.(correct me if I am wrong here)
They were often removed from the FFG's. I have many times seen FFG's without them.
Agree that upgrading would be sensible.
 
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The AWDs will be getting new Block 1B Phalanx. While the legacy RAN Phalanx may never have fired a shot in anger they have fired plenty in training. The gun unit really can't tell the difference... But they have been upgraded and maintained and will be able to provide plenty of further service and even be block upgraded from 1A to 1B standard if the Govt. ponies up the chash.

The LHDs will have Typhoon in 25mm and 12.7mm for self defence of a kinetic kind plus plenty of ECM. Phalanx/RAM would be nice and there are places on the ship for these defences. But against the air and missile threat the idea is to surround them with destroyers and frigates which will shoot down all the incoming threats. If it gets past them and it gets past the Nulka then its probably a Mach 3 super missile that Phalanx will just peck at the surface of before it hits the ship.
 
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Abraham Gubler said:
Stop you there. You clearly don’t understand what CEC does and how that’s different to sharing tracks.
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Re reading I don't think I made a clear enough distinction between CEC and a more general sharing of information. JORN is not part of any CEC, it can't be because of the way it works. Its never going to provide targeting information for anyone, anywhere, so you can't engage (E in CEC) anything using it and it would be useless to try. Other radar systems or platforms would have similar problems.

It (JORN) can play a wider part in "network centric operations" if you define that to be larger than CEC. Some systems would be more suitable for basic networking of information than a full on CEC type setup. ANZAC isn't really suitable for CEC.

ANZACs aren't exactly heavily armed with long ranged munitions so it would be unlikely to need remote cuing and targeting information. (ANZAC replacements might be different). The AWD will be able to link up to US forces in particular destroyers, not to things like the LCS which isn't suitable for CEC (again it can't really engage anything except with a 57mm which will be clearly firing at things it can see with its radar or eyeballs). CEC is particularly useful with weapon systems like SM-6, SM-3 etc. ANZAC doesn't really have radar suitable, nor carries those so why bother.

Which is why Wedge tail would(should) be way up on the CEC list. Flying high with a massive radar means cuing OTH from the point of view of the ship firing. 240Km range makes a lot more sense then.

Hope this is more accurate and clarifies. I only have an armchair understanding of this stuff, if Im way off tell me. We have people here with expert knowledge but they rarely speak in detail about such systems. I think we have/had someone in the forum who worked on integrating CEC with Aegis here.
 
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Re reading I don't think I made a clear enough distinction between CEC and a more general sharing of information. JORN is not part of any CEC, it can't be because of the way it works.
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Actually I think JORN does use a CEC between its multiple arrays and nope you still don’t get what CEC is. Now I’ve actually explained it on this forum before and it’s not too hard to find out on the net why CEC is different to command networking.

Lots of systems share their information digitally via networking. Like I have a radar track here of an aircraft. This can be used for command and for targeting. But what CEC does is it shares the raw data. It shares every radar dwell not tracks. A dwell is when a radar wave is bounced back to your antennae. So in effect it takes every radar in the CEC network and combines them into one big single array. The same principal as the very large arrays for astronomy. This is a huge boost to radar capability compared to normal networking of tracks.

There are other CEC type systems in ELINT and ASW (the later including an Australian sonar program) and F-35s will do it as well. CEC isn’t the sort of thing that will make much of a difference in Harpoon computer game level ‘warfare’ but in the real world it is hugely important.
 
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Abraham Gubler said:
It’s not a bad idea. You could name a whole class along these lines: HMA Ships Inala, Maroubra, Mount Barker, Dandenong, Snowtown, Hall’s Creek, etc. As the Iron Duke said:

“I don't know if they frighten the enemy, but they scare the hell out of me.”
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Snow town is just one of the places they hid the bodies, their home, where they did most of the killing, was Salisbury North; across the road from a school.
 
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Some very interesting pictures of Blue Marlin entering Ferrol´s estuary, it gives a bit of perspective of the size of the toys involved.

It is said that Canberra is going to be loaded diagonally over hanging some 35 metres off Blue Marling, I have also read that it can be loaded straight and that Canberra´s bow will over-hang off Blue Marlin stern. Time will tell.

Fene Navantia is building as we speak a craddle-bed to be fitted on to Blue Marlin to protect Canberra and to give more support points.

Once loaded, the job of securing Canberra will take a full week

La cama del «Canberra» amarra en Ferrol


In this page you can actually see both vessels together as Blue Marlin approaches the Naval yard.

RevistaNaval.com - Fotonoticia - Comienza la cuenta atrás para el traslado del HMAS «Canberra» a Australia

I hope you like it.


Regards.
 
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I like that the headline calls Blue Marlin Canberra's 'cama'. I hope she sleeps well on her journey to Australia.
 
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That new off shore patrol vessel bought for the RAN/Customs service did not get a lick of paint in the UK by chance, not sure what vessel it is but I went through some picture of RN/RFA vessels and could not find any thing that resembles it .

http://www.millsmediagroup.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/DSC0201_LR.jpg


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Ahh I think I found her, RFA Diligence looks similar wonder if RAN could starve off customs getting Skandi Bergen and make use of her for the same function its a thought.

http://navy-matters.beedall.com/omar.htm
 
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Abraham Gubler

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Milne Bay said:
OCEAN PROTECTOR - Vessel's Details and Current Position - 9374260 - 503630000
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That's a different ship. ACV Ocean Protector is on lease as the Border Protection Command Southern Ocean patrol ship. Its owner DOF Subsea called it the Skandi Bergen. When they leased it to Customs they went and ordered a replacement. This ship was also called Skandi Bergen. While under construction it has been purchased by the Commonwealth of Australia. It will serve as a civilian manned amphibious cargo ship until HMAS Canberra is in service and then be handed over to Customs to replace Ocean Protector when its lease is up. It has a new name which is Ocean Guardian or Ocean Barrier or something I just can’t remember off the top of my head.

PS It won't be painted and will stay in the red bottom, white top colours.
 
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Abraham Gubler said:
That's a different ship. ACV Ocean Protector is on lease as the Border Protection Command Southern Ocean patrol ship. Its owner DOF Subsea called it the Skandi Bergen. When they leased it to Customs they went and ordered a replacement. This ship was also called Skandi Bergen. While under construction it has been purchased by the Commonwealth of Australia. It will serve as a civilian manned amphibious cargo ship until HMAS Canberra is in service and then be handed over to Customs to replace Ocean Protector when its lease is up. It has a new name which is Ocean Guardian or Ocean Barrier or something I just can’t remember off the top of my head.

PS It won't be painted and will stay in the red bottom, white top colours.
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Argh crikey.
Thanks for that Abe.
I presume the new ship is still under construction .....?
 
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