Tee_Centre_10
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So you've given up on the possibility that Canada could contribute in any meaningful way to international maritime operations? Or that Canada will be a useful member of NATO? Or participate in UN sanctioned military operations?I agree with Sea Toby on the OPVs. To go further, if we built a CCG similar to the USCG and gave them 10 or 12 proper OPV with helicopter pads this would reduce the Canadian Navy's need to do coastal patrol. I assume the CCG would need to have some basic weaponry like a 40mm gun maybe a stinger and grenade launcher here or there like the USCG. Side benefit is that the US and Canadian coast guards could work much better as a united front defending the continent.
These new CCG ships could be built to accept additional sensors or armament in case of a large scale war. Maybe a modular system that could allow them to do anti-mine work or even towed sonar to hunt littorals for enemy subs. Lightly armed CCG patrol ships will be cheaper than building naval grade OPV and give us the same sovereignty protection.
I ask, because you seem eager to gut the RCN (and the other services) of much of its operational capability for EEZ and border protection.
Either you have a CCG for EEZ duties or you have the RCN for EEZ duties. Why duplicate roles? Leave the border protection duties to the CCG, and they don't need the capability to fit sonars or UUVs or 40mm guns (aren't CCG vessels unarmed?). It is wasted money. Leave the war roles to the RCN.
Pardon?Small flotilla of SSKs would still patrol and help monitor fisheries and EEZ due to cost efficiency and strategic defence. This would leave the surface CN ships to power project around the world.
A fleet of SSKs for EEZ patrol and fishery protection? And when this SSK comes across a Russian trawler illegally fishing in Canadian water, what is is going to do? Fire a torpedo across the bows? Surface and politely ask for them to be "Good chaps" and kindly desist?
A submarine is a very expensive offensive weapon, massively wasted on border protection. Get a patrol boat.
The SCSCP is planned to have all in service by 2030, with the first in class to be in service in 2016-2017. My personal opinion is that 2016 seems a bit optimistic for a shipbuilding project without a firm (at least public) design or systems chosen.One question, the Halifax class are undergoing refits to take them to 2030 and we are building 15 SCSCS plus 8 APS and 3 JSS. Does this mean a Halifax class will be taken offline as each new SCSCS enters service? Surely we can't be ending up with all those surface vessels.
I don't know whether it will be a Halifax FFH or Iroquois DDG that will be the first to be replaced, but given the age of the DDGs I would bet they would be first even though it would mean that the RCN is without SM-2 capability.