F-22 can't fire AIM-9X !!

Acoording to Air International Feb 2012 the first 155 F-22 were built with integral systems using 32- bit ,25 MHZ chips long obsolete in civilian applications !

32 bit 25MHz processing power? That is 486 level stuff

Can't carry AIM-9X sidewinder missiles !!

No WVR capabilities except it's cannon :D
 

RobWilliams

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Is AIM-9X a 64 bit based weapon ??

I'm afraid it can't fire AIM-120D also :D
I recall Raytheon did some testing in 2006 in regards to the AIM-120D for the F-22.

Here's a video of an F-22 having an AMRAAM mounted + launch

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMwz_wM5F9c"]F 22 take off and AMRAAM fired - YouTube[/nomedia]

I have no idea about all the "bit" rubbish of the system
 

Todjaeger

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Is AIM-9X a 64 bit based weapon ??

I'm afraid it can't fire AIM-120D also :D
You do realize that the AIM-120D is still in testing and has not reached operational service yet, right?

The current in-service AMRAAM version is the AIM-120C7.

-Cheers
 

colay

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The new gen missiles will find their way onto the Raptor in due time.,It's really a matter of funding priorities and the legacy jets are first in line as they stand to benefit more from an early integration. In training, the F-22 has had no difficulty wiping the floor against all comers using the weapons it currently employs,
 

Magoo

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The main reason it hasn't been integrated with the X yet is because the F-22 doesn't have a helmet for guiding HOBS shots, so much of the advantage of the X would be wasted.
 

south

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There are several other advantages that are removed from just HOBS when comparing the Aim9X to the 9M. New gen seeker with all the advantages it brings as well as better range.

I think the main reason is mostly money, and the fact that at the moment the F-22 is a lower priority for 9X than legacy jets because it cleans the floor regardless
 

ADMk2

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Acoording to Air International Feb 2012 the first 155 F-22 were built with integral systems using 32- bit ,25 MHZ chips long obsolete in civilian applications !

32 bit 25MHz processing power? That is 486 level stuff

Can't carry AIM-9X sidewinder missiles !!

No WVR capabilities except it's cannon :D
And AIM-9M and AIM-120C, both of which can be fired within visual range...
 

gf0012-aust

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Acoording to Air International Feb 2012 the first 155 F-22 were built with integral systems using 32- bit ,25 MHZ chips long obsolete in civilian applications !

32 bit 25MHz processing power? That is 486 level stuff

Can't carry AIM-9X sidewinder missiles !!

No WVR capabilities except it's cannon :D
actually they're based on 386DX 40's

there are any number of modern combat systems based on 32bit or I960 processors for interoperability issues.

have a look at military messaging as an example, they are shovelling 8kb data streams

16bit will kill you as good as 64bit.

its not about the specific bus, its about the delivery chain
 

Black Legion

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When the F-22 is the subject one question if you may. Considering videos on youtube can be awfully biased, can someone competent please answer are these claims about the planes weak points actually true?

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITbGBmaqQkk&feature=related"]F-35 is useless - YouTube[/nomedia] (it also talks about F-22)

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaoYz90giTk&feature=related"]F22 Raptor Exposed - Why the F22 Was Cancelled - YouTube[/nomedia]
 

gf0012-aust

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Todjaeger

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When the F-22 is the subject one question if you may. Considering videos on youtube can be awfully biased, can someone competent please answer are these claims about the planes weak points actually true?

F-35 is useless - YouTube (it also talks about F-22)

F22 Raptor Exposed - Why the F22 Was Cancelled - YouTube
With respect to the first clip, an Australian named Carlo Kopp makes an appearance at approximately 0:52. In the second clip, reference is made to Pierre Sprey at approximately 3:02.

Both are known critics of the F-35, and F-22/F-35 respectively. Having said that, some of the basic facts mentioned in the clips are a bit inaccurate and the pieces were both beatups using wrong or inaccurate information to espouse the viewpoints of "experts" who have long since been disregarded by mainstream defence personnel. As such, I would recommend giving anything involving either person and/or their associates a wide berth.

-Cheers
 
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actually they're based on 386DX 40's

there are any number of modern combat systems based on 32bit or I960 processors for interoperability issues.

have a look at military messaging as an example, they are shovelling 8kb data streams

16bit will kill you as good as 64bit.

its not about the specific bus, its about the delivery chain
Try connecting a digital video camera to a 386 running at 25MHz and see what frame rate you can capture data at.

Such a system wouldn't even be able to reliably burn CDs.

The much faster CPUs have much smaller dies and are much more likely to be effected by electronic items including jammers and radar emissions...

Compatibility is not really an issue, but it will create bottlenecks and problems in processing.
 
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Mig-29s have had HMS and high offboresight missiles since 1984... and this 21st C super plane not only doesn't have a HMS, but its short range IR guided missile is inferior too

That means in a close in turning fight that even a 1980s Mig-29 has a good chance against it with its superior helmet mounted sight and R-73 missile.

And lack of transmit in terms of data links is very good for stealth, but bad for usefulness because it means that with its super radar and ability to fly deep into enemy territory in most countries unseen it wont be able to share the information about the targets it sees...
 

gf0012-aust

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Try connecting a digital video camera to a 386 running at 25MHz and see what frame rate you can capture data at.

Such a system wouldn't even be able to reliably burn CDs.

The much faster CPUs have much smaller dies and are much more likely to be effected by electronic items including jammers and radar emissions...

Compatibility is not really an issue, but it will create bottlenecks and problems in processing.
what relationship does a video feed have to do with the onboard COP of a combat aircraft?

they're not burning CD's, they're using tactical data links which are are transporting data in bytes and kbytes

if you've ever seen military messaging for a weapons platform you should understand that the discussion about 64bit and milbuses is a lame example

TADL is not video gaming - no matter what the movies trot out

and those TADL's are going to literally hundreds of receivers.

the problem space is not about what the aircraft can receive to transmit - the problem space is about filtering

none of what you say is what is causing the warfighters grief.

btw you're also making claims about what LO aircraft can and can't do on some flawed assumptions (its not "stealth" either)

I'm curious as to where you obtained your info about what the F-22 or LO aircraft can do in a typical combat scenario - esp as none of the exercise data is in the public domain - let alone Blue Flag material
 
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