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Feanor

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There wouldn't be any instructors there for the planes. The way it works is that when new birds are received Lipetsk gets them first where the instructors learn how to use them. Then they teach line pilots from fighter regiments (now airbases) how fly the planes, and after the unit has completed the training they start receiving new birds. This means Lipetsk needs a number of them for training purposes.

Now about these 6 new Su-34 I have to wonder are they borts 11-16? Or are they simply handing over bort numbers 5-6-7-8-9-10 to Voronezh? While 1-4 remain at Lipetsk (which would make a lot of sense).
 
Haavarla

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I dunno.
News will pop up at take-off.ru pretty soon etc.:)

Oh, and the Su-27SM3 b/n 55 and 56 has arrived at Krymsk Airbase:

http://russianplanes.net/ID56457

I think all 12 has been delivered by now.. KnAAPO should have no problem in doing so..
 
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An VVS inventory update:

Four new build Su-27SM3 has been delivered to Krymsk Airbase from KnAAPO.

Six Su-34 will be delivered by next week from NAPO to Voronezh.(i slight delay it seems)

And an unspecified # of Su-35S from KnAAPO has made first flight..


Sources, nothing official but there are several pics over at different Russian aircraft-spotter sites..
 
Feanor

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Are you sure the Su-34 are being delivered from NAPO? Or are they just being handed over to Baltimor, from say Lipetsk? I'll wait for photos, if that's the only way we can confirm bort numbers (10)-11-16.

EDIT: It's the second serial Su-35S. I don't know the bort #. The photos with the article are bort 902, which isn't the second serial one.

http://newsru.com/russia/02dec2011/su35.html
 
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Does anybody know what an "RLS" is? In the article it is mentioned that it has a range of 80 km, so is this some kind of sensor?
 
Feanor

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You beat me to it. Also engines have been delivered for the two Su-30SM prototypes. The engines do have TVC, being AL-31FP. I wonder if these prototypes will be turned into serial birds eventually, as it seems rather wasteful to have two prototypes for a 28 plane purchase (with a 12 option).
 
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Yeah, i was i bit suprised about those AL-31FP choice..
I've been bitterly debating on F-16.net about the current TBO's hours on the Russian engines today.
It looks like the first exported AL-31F to China had about 400-500 TBO.
And the AL-31FP that IAF first got was about 500-1000 hour TBO, and later increased to 1500-2000 hour TBO.
And later on the AL-31FM1 har increased to about 1500 hour TBO.

I don't have any fresh up to date info here, just older stuff floating around from 2006.

Anyway i wonder how the TBO rate is on these newly build engines for Su-30SM..:confused:
Could this be a cheaper approach by Russian MOD, or is it due to slow output rate on 117S and AL-31FM1(Su-34)?
 
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I suspect it was pure inertia. The MKI has FP, therefore Su-30SM will also carry FP.
 
Klaus

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According to the official website of the Russian MoD, another 55 Yak 130
have been ordered. They will all be delivered until 2020, together with a further 10 units, which still have to be ordered.
 
Feanor

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Klaus said:
According to the official website of the Russian MoD, another 55 Yak 130
have been ordered. They will all be delivered until 2020, together with a further 10 units, which still have to be ordered.
Click to expand...
Supposedly deliveries are to be completed by 2017.

Lenta.ru: Îðóæèå: Ìèíîáîðîíû êóïèëî 55 ó÷åáíûõ ñàìîëåòîâ ßê-130

EDIT: Vzglyad claims the contract was for 65 planes, at 30 bln roubles (1 bln USD) with the first 10 to be delivered this year, and the rest by 2015. This is possible, because the Yak-130s meant for Libya are right now sitting at Irkutsk, and are likely to be bought by MoD.

http://vz.ru/society/2011/12/7/544832.html
 
Klaus

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This seems more logical. 76 new trainers (including the ones already in service)
until 2020 wouldn't be that much, keeping in mind that new fighters and bombers will enter service in larger numbers soon.
Is there any reliable information on how many Yak 130 are to be acquired in total? I read that Yakovlev once planned a pure strike version of the aircraft as a possible replacement for the Su 25.
 
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I read from ACM that VVS has 12 Yak-130 operational from an earlier MoD deal.
And the new VVS deal include 62 Yak-130. I'l get back on the total number delivered later..

@Klaus.
That would be the proposed Yak-131?
I don't see the point, as the Su-25SM/BM are far better as CAS role..
 
Feanor

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One of the earlier delivered Yak-130 crashed, the reason why further deliveries were delayed. So there should be 11 flying, unless they got a replacement.

Anyways, an interesting bit of news, 8 new EW pods have been ordered for the Su-34, the universal radio-reconnaissance pod Sych ("Сыч"). The first 8 are manufactured in 3 variants, 2 radio-technical, 3 radio-locator, and 3 optical-electronic. It's unclear what exactly they will contain. All in all 4 different variants are to be produced eventually, but what the fourth is we've not been told.

The whole article is here, but it talks little about the pods, and mostly about the factory producing them: ÂÏÊ "ÍÏÎ ìàøèíîñòðîåíèÿ" - ÒÐÈÁÓÍÀ ÂÏÊ ¹41 2011 ãîä

EDIT: Russian press just can't get their shit together. Itar-TASS claims that 55 are to be delivered by 2015. So now we have 3 delivery dates and 2 different quantities, on what is an already signed contract. Can anyone track down the official announcement on producers webpage? Also apparently the approved 2020 program involves 65 Yak-130 total. However if 55 will be delivered by 2015, then by 2020 we can expect at least as many more. It's not like Yak-130 production will just shut down after 2015. And I don't see them picking up export orders by the dozens.

http://www.itar-tass.com/c1/291363.html
 
Klaus

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@Haavarla: of course the Su 25 is more capable as a CAS-aircraft than the Yak 130, but virtually all of the Su 25s have been produced 20 or more years ago, so they should start looking for a replacement in the near future.
Relying mainly on helicopters, supported by some upgraded Su 25, may be an affordable solution for the present, but a major military power should have both modern attack helicopters and ground attack aircraft in its inventory (in appropriate numbers).
I don't understand why they are buying some 400 Mi 28/Mi 35 and Ka 52, but not a single new aircraft (if you don't count the Su 34), especially in regard of the various problems with the Mi 28N.
 
Haavarla

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Well, how is the comparison of Su-25 and Yak-130 operation range and takeoff weight?

was't there some plans to start up the Su-25 prod-line again?
 
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