Royal Australian Navy Discussions and Updates

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Abraham Gubler

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Why not just man the LHDs with public servants, paint them white and abolish the Navy? This hospital ship thing is just a stupid idea that kind of sounds OK looking for a reason. There is no demand for it and no way to realise the capability.

Certainly the disaster relief capability inherent in an amphibious ship and the medical, logistics and transport capability of the ADF makes any regional civil hospital ship a pale joke. All the investment into said ship would be is duplication that spends most of its time doing nothing.

Maybe if 'mutant neutrinos' heat up the Earth's core and the world is destroyed in a spasm of disaster at the end of the Mayan calender we might need dedicated hospital ships. But until that happens please file under G for Greens Party policy and other assorted fruitcake ideas.
 

ADMk2

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HMAS Choules will have a hospital facility on-board, though smaller than those on the LHD, it features an operating theatre, 2 high dependancy and 6 low depedancy beds, plus a medical store, triage area, reception area an so on.

If established for a humanitarian mission, I have no doubt ADF deployable medical capability could be added to the inherent capability within HMAS Choules, given the amount of space available on the ship, to significantly boost the medical capability of the ship as required.

Like Abe, considering ADF's deployable medical capabilities and the medical facilities available within the RAN (or soon enough to be) I don't see the need to acquire a dedicated hospital ship.
 

t68

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Reading thru a document date September 2001 about early lesson of the Collins class submarine, it has a very subjective thought on how we can find additional way’s to increase the recruiting and retention of qualified submariners in the RAN.

Getting in Early: Lessons of the Collins Submarine Program for Improved Oversight of Defence Procurement (Research Paper 3 2001-02)

With the likely announcement of increased co-operation between the ADF and US Military, basing a small amount of personnel in Australia, what is to say the RAN cannot base 2 Collins MKII submarines of the 12 that MIGHT materialise under the white paper? Split 10 submarine between the East andWest coasts with 2 submarines rotated out of Navel base Point Loma, it home to the sub base plus Fleet ASW training centre and Fleet Combat Training Centre Pacific.

Having never been in the RAN I do not know the posting cycles of submariners, with rotating the sub for a 1 for 1on a overlapping posting cycles for not only the crew but family as well, how much of an incentive it will be to submariners I don’t know. Their would be a lot of plus for both the RAN and USN having a large conventional submarine to train with plus the RAN will have training with the larger footprint of the USN.

Having more posting choices would this influence more people to the silent service and do you see this as a win-win or not part of any strategy that would benefit the RAN?
 
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Volkodav

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Actually I like the idea, we could also buy convert and deploy an engineering support ship for use in the event of natural disasters. It would look just like a LHD but be painted yellow. Come to think of it we will also need some sort of constabulary capability as re-establishing law and order is also critical, perhaps a blue painted ship would do? Wait a minute we are talking natural disasters so we will need some specialist rescuers, cue our red ship. Paint another purple and it could be our mobile civilian command centre.

These ships could deploy together in response to any major disaster and could be called the Australian Rainbow Flotilla.

Do you think there would be much call for a regional breast examination ship? We could paint that pink……..
 

hairyman

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If Tony Abbott was PM the ship would have to be bare metal. Every time anyone put a colour scheme to him for approval, he would have to answer "No".
 

Abraham Gubler

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If Tony Abbott was PM the ship would have to be bare metal. Every time anyone put a colour scheme to him for approval, he would have to answer "No".
With a pair of budgie smugglers painted around the mid section. We get to see too much bare metal but thankfully there are limits.
 

alexsa

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What about a white boat in the shape of a hat HMAS KATTERPULT which coud be used to help transport live cattle.
cheers:daz
Sadly no ..... as maintenance of livestock ships is and issue where no failure is accepted as they are regulated very stringenly in Australia. Non compliance, when detected, results in a rapid and unambigous response.
 
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koxinga

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And her latest track indicates she is just off Cape Town and heading into harbour.

I notice that she will only turn on her AIS when she is close to islands or port. I though it was standard maritime practice to keep the AIS on whenever using any major sea routes?
 

StevoJH

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And her latest track indicates she is just off Cape Town and heading into harbour.

I notice that she will only turn on her AIS when she is close to islands or port. I though it was standard maritime practice to keep the AIS on whenever using any major sea routes?
Maybe for commercial ships, but for warships?
 

koxinga

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She has arrived.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.p...headed-for-cape-town-&catid=51:Sea&Itemid=106

The Royal Australian Navy’s (RAN) future HMAS Choules (L100) is due to call at Cape Town tomorrow. The former British landing ship dock, RFA Largs Bay, is on her way to Australia where she will be commissioned next month. The RAN bought the ship from the Royal Fleet Auxiliary earlier this year for £65 million.

The Australia in August announced the ship would be named for Chief Petty Officer Claude Choules who died in May this year. “He died in Perth at the age of 110. This was a significant moment when the world lost its last living link with those who had served in WW1 [World War One], Chief of the RAN Vice Admiral Ray Griggs said at the time.

To mark the centenary of the RAN – established in 1911 - the pennant number of the future Choules will be L100, “further reinforcing the link to the centenary of the Royal Australian Navy and those who have served in it throughout our history,” Griggs said.

The Choules will repair the RAN's amphibious capability, effectively lost with the decommissioning of two fault-prone Kanimbla-class landing platforms amphibious earlier this year. The government decided the ex-Newport-class tank landing ships were beyond economic repair. The Landing Ship Heavy HMAS Tobruk remains in commission – but is also in dock to repair defects.

Spanish shipyard Navantia is meanwhile building the RAN two new Canberra-class Landing Helicopter Dock (LHD) ships. Construction of the first ship, HMAS Canberra, commenced in late 2008, and the hull was launched earlier this year. Work on the second vessel, HMAS Adelaide, started early last year. The ships are expected to enter service during 2014 and 2015.

The Choules, meanwhile was ordered from shipyard Swan Hunter in December 2000 and her keel was laid down in January 2002. The ship was launched July 18, 2003 and entered service in April 2006, over a year late.

The four-ship class was based on the Royal Schelde shipyard's Enforcer; a joint project between the Dutch and Spanish navies that resulted respectively in the Rotterdam and Galicia-class amphibious warfare ships. The main difference with the British ships is the lack of a helicopter hangar, the wikipedia entry for the Largs Bay notes. The ships were originally designated "Auxiliary Landing Ship Logistics" or ALSL, but this was changed in 2002 to "Landing Ship Dock (Auxiliary)" or LSD(A), better reflecting their operational role.

The Bay-class ships have a full load displacement of 16,160 tonnes (15,900 long tons). Each is 176.6m long, with a beam of 26.4m, and a draught of 5.8m. Propulsion power is provided by two Wärtsilä 8L26 generators, providing 6,000 horsepower (4.5 MW), and two Wärtsilä 12V26 generators, providing 9,000 horsepower (6.7 MW) used to drive two steerable propulsion pods, with a bow thruster supplementing. Maximum speed is 18 knots (33 km/h), and the Bay-class ships can achieve a range of 8000 nautical miles (15,000km) at 15 knots (28 km/h. For self defence, Largs Bay was fitted with two Alliant Techsystems Mk44 Bushmaster II 30mm chain guns and up to six 7.62mm L7 general purpose machine guns, the British version of the FN MAG58. In addition, she was fitted for but not with a Phalanx CIWS and a 30 mm DS30B cannon. The standard ship's company consists of 60 officers and sailors.

As a sealift ship, Largs Bay is capable of carrying up to 24 tanks or 150 light trucks in 1150 linear metres of space. The cargo capacity is equivalent of 200 tons of ammunition, or 24 twenty-foot equivalent unit containers. During normal conditions, a Bay class ship can carry 356 soldiers, but this can be almost doubled to 700 in overload conditions. No helicopters are carried onboard, but the twin-spot flight deck is capable of handling helicopters up to the size of Chinooks, as well as Merlin helicopters and Osprey tiltrotor aircraft. The well dock can carry one LCU Mark 10 or two LCVPs, and two Mexeflotes can be suspended from the ship's flanks. Two 30-ton cranes are fitted between the superstructure and the flight deck.
 

koxinga

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She has arrived in Cape Town (see previous post)

Just add, it seem amazing that naval ship could be tracked in near real-time via GPS/AIS over the web with a map overlay.

I used to work on C2 systems and this was a capability which came into existence over a decade and a half ago when folks started to put GPS transponders around and fire GPS data packets over the secured radio.
 
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