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I've got two separate papers claiming that 46 Su-27SM have been received by OSC East this year. I suspect this is a misunderstanding, and they mean 46 total. But it is possible that they received 46 this year, in addition to the ~48 received earlier.

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They've also taken delivery of a total of 12 Ka-52, meaning they have the first squadron either forming, or already formed right now. They also too deliveries of 8 Mi-8ATMSh, and are waiting on 2 Mi-26.

It is interesting that they're no longer just focusing on OSC South in terms of new helos. Previously they prioritized the North Caucus for new helos.
 
Feanor

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I uploaded a pic of the A-50U interior, to our gallery. I recall at least one SM being lost, possibly two or even 3. I'm not 100% sure. Truth is that as units transition to new or upgraded aircraft, their flight time increases dramatically, because all the aircraft are in flight condition. The result is that pilots who prior had chronically insufficient flight hours, now are getting many more, and accident rates increase.

Rumor has it, that the Ka-52K is quite a ways off, at this point existing only on paper.
 
Haavarla

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Regarding the Ka-52K, is it sensor, imo radar issues?

I see the A-50U has the same engines type..
The noise level inside those A-50 are unaccepable according to western standards. Think its enough with a 6 hour crew shift rotation onboard.. never mind those Tu-95SM:smash

I guess, the new A-100 will get spankin new engines with it..
 
Feanor

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I don't know for sure about the radars, but right now the Mi-28N are being delivered without the radars. There are rumors that the same is true of the first batches of Ka-52s (iirc 16 have been delivered so far). With regards to the Ka-52K (all unofficial, this is just rumors that may have a reliable source) Kamov was shocked to find out that there were plans to use the Ka-52 for AVMF needs. They themselves had not even considered it. Hence why no work had been done in that direction, to determine feasibility. The recent VVS trials were conducted to find out whether it was even possible to use the Ka-52 as a naval helo. Only once these trials are completed will development of an actual Ka-52K variant begin.

The A-50U was supposed to get much better sound isolation, to reduce the noise issues, as well as more comfortable interiors. The A-100 will use the Il-476 as the carrier, so yes it will have different engines.
 
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Dammit I wished my Russian was better so I could read these articles or understand all of what their saying.

All I got out of the A-50 vid is they installed beds when crew get tired and they also installed new computers
 
Haavarla

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It is not optimal, but you can allways try Google translate.
I use it, but have given up posting the translatation in here, only links.
 
Feanor

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It looks like the Yak-130 contract is about to be signed. The VVS will purchase the Yak-130s originally intended for Libya, in addition to the ones they planned to purchase for themselves. This contract will be for 65 airframes, and while it's unclear what the delivery dates are going to look like, given that many of the aircraft are already awaiting delivery at IAPO, pending the signing of the contract, this is likely to have a 2015-2018 completion date.

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EDIT: The completion date for the contract is expected to be 2017.

http://en.ria.ru/mlitary_news/20111108/168504804.html

EDIT2: 10 more Su-30M2 are expected at Krymsk, completing a squadron there. So two of the Su-30M2s went as training aircraft to Far Eastern units with Su-27SMs, but apparently further purchases of the Su-30M2s are planned, in addition to the Su-30SMs. It looks like they've realized that necessary quantities of PAK-FA and Su-34 will not be available, and as a result, as more Fencers, and other older airframes get retired, they will be replaced with more Super Flankers.

http://lenta.ru/news/2011/11/10/su30m2/
 
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Minuteman said:
The main problem with RuAF in the Georgia-conflict weren’t the strike capability in any shape or form, it was the overall C4I and ISR capability. At least half of the losses were friendly fire (from both South Ossetian and Russian forces). Also, I believe that you have to count with losses when use CAS-aircraft in form of the SU-25, especially early in a conflict when you don’t have total air supremacy.

And this leads me to the question; are there any plans of increasing the ISR capability of the RuAF? UAV? Better integration of the different military branches? I know that there are plans for more reconnaissance satellites but will this have a real tactical effect on the battlefield?
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You might be interested to know that a new C4I system has been purchased for PVO units in motor-rifle and tank brigades, the Strelets system. It was recently tested on the 21st MRB, during their large exercises. It's meant to address this exact issue.
 
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@Feanor: does this only mean that they do not expect the T 50 to be delivered in significant quantities within the next few years or does the MoD intend to reduce the overall number to be procured?
And I thought the BSFs bomber squadron would reequip with Su 30 SMs (?). So now they're getting two squadrons of Su 30s or will the SMs instead be delivered to one of the other fleets?
 
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Klaus said:
@Feanor: does this only mean that they do not expect the T 50 to be delivered in significant quantities within the next few years or does the MoD intend to reduce the overall number to be procured?
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The numbers to be procured were never sufficient to replace all fighter types in the VVS. Also deliveries of serial aircraft are not supposed to start until 2015. Finally the recent reforms saw reductions in airframe numbers, it's possible they're trying to compensate for this by inducting more aircraft.

And I thought the BSFs bomber squadron would reequip with Su 30 SMs (?). So now they're getting two squadrons of Su 30s or will the SMs instead be delivered to one of the other fleets?
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The BSF Su-24Ms are getting replaced with 12 Su-30SMs. A total of 12 Su-30M2s will be operating out of Airbase 6972 at Krymsk, along with 12 Su-27SM3 (replacing legacy Su-27S). Another 28 Su-30SM are being delivered to the VVS, but where they will be deployed is unclear.
 
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Nobody knows. First two Su-30SM are to be delivered iirc early next year, so we'll see then.

EDIT: The 10 Su-30M2 for Krymsk, 6972nd AB, are going to be delivered before the end of this year.

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I think the press messed up on this one Feanor.
At Krymsk are Su-30M2, bort nr 10 and 30.
That with all the Su-27SM3.. they received over half of the 12 ordered. And all are expected to finnish at end of year..

My point is all the Su-27SM3 are mistaken as Su-30M2... baaad research by the press.:(

KnAAPO was sitting an four surplus Su-30M2(a former PLAAF Contract) airframes.
And 12 Su-27SM3(Earlier VVS contract not completed) airframes.

KnAAPO does not have any more Su-30M2 airframes, and further more now that they are almost finnish with all the Su-27SM3, they will focus on the 48 Su-35S deal, that is somewhat delayed as it seems..

The first two Su-30SM are expected at the end of this year, but it is not clear where they all will go, perhaps they will have a state trials, perhaps not, it depends on the upgrade packages..
 
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Haavarla said:
I think the press messed up on this one Feanor.
At Krymsk are Su-30M2, bort nr 10 and 30.
That with all the Su-27SM3.. they received over half of the 12 ordered. And all are expected to finnish at end of year..

My point is all the Su-27SM3 are mistaken as Su-30M2... baaad research by the press.:(
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What makes you say this? They have taken more then 2 Su-27SM3. So it wouldn't make sense for the press to mistake the remaining (4-5-6) SM3s for Su-30M2s, because the article claims 10 are to be delivered.

It also makes sense number-wise. Each of the Su-27SM airbases received one Su-30M2 as a trainer for 24 Su-27SM. However Krymsk, with only 12 Su-27SM3 receives 2 Su-30M2s. Also with an addition of 10 it would bring the Su-30M2 to squadron strength. While I'm not sure I approve of this approach (given the Su-35S already in the pipe-line) I wouldn't rule it out entirely.

KnAAPO was sitting an four surplus Su-30M2(a former PLAAF Contract) airframes.
And 12 Su-27SM3(Earlier VVS contract not completed) airframes.

KnAAPO does not have any more Su-30M2 airframes, and further more now that they are almost finnish with all the Su-27SM3, they will focus on the 48 Su-35S deal, that is somewhat delayed as it seems..
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Delays in Su-35S production could be compensated with Su-30M2 deliveries. Nothing stop the MoD from ordering additional Su-30M2s to be built from scratch. And if the order was placed a while back, but just kept quiet, it's not impossible for the delivery dates. The numbers for them make an awful lot of sense, and don't match the other aircraft numbers, so I'm not sure that we can decisively call it a mistake.

The first two Su-30SM are expected at the end of this year, but it is not clear where they all will go, perhaps they will have a state trials, perhaps not, it depends on the upgrade packages..
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They should require state trials regardless of the package. The question is whether they've already passed them, possibly by modifying a industry-owned Su-30 airframe, and using it for the trials. After all that's how the Su-30s saw action in 2008.
 
Twinblade

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Another video where designers of Pak-Fa talk about the design philosophies behind T-50.

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW0x2EDghbE&fmt=18"]PAK FA: T-50 - Technologies of take off (English and Greek subs) - YouTube[/nomedia]

PS: It mentions "slanted thrust vectoring" which I think might be V shaped 2D thrust vector.
 
Haavarla

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Feanor. I'm not convinced about the M2 deal..

When i translate it, it state 10 M2 has been delivered by the end of 2011..
I might possible be mistaken, but there are no reason why KnAAPO/Sukhoi should keep a deal like this under wrap?
They'll be only happy to announce yet another order.

If this is a completly new order, KnAAPO have to wait for airframe parts to be produced, since they do not have any surplus of airframe in stock..
In that case KnAAPO will not see any M2 production for atleast mid-2012.
 
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