Marine Nationale (French Navy)

StevoJH

The Bunker Group
They should have just ordered 4 Horizon class ships and be done with it. FREDA wont match the capabilities of Horizon but will cost almost as much and will mean two different AAW classes in service instead of one, which will increase the cost and difficulty of training.
 

riksavage

Banned Member
They should have just ordered 4 Horizon class ships and be done with it. FREDA wont match the capabilities of Horizon but will cost almost as much and will mean two different AAW classes in service instead of one, which will increase the cost and difficulty of training.
Question is why didn't they order a larger batch of Horizons, economies of scale and all that! - Two is just enough to protect CdG when on active service, what will happen when/if PA2 is ordered, the number will have to be cut to one complimented by a single new FREDA? It appears strange to have two new classes of DDG's, built in such small numbers.
 

swerve

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They should have just ordered 4 Horizon class ships and be done with it. FREDA wont match the capabilities of Horizon but will cost almost as much and will mean two different AAW classes in service instead of one, which will increase the cost and difficulty of training.
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Absolutely right. They ordered a third LHD (a cheaper ship, I know, but still . . . ) earlier than needed to boost the shipbuilding industry. That LHD will replace an LPD which could have been kept in service until 2020 without strain.
 
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Absolutely right. They ordered a third LHD (a cheaper ship, I know, but still . . . ) earlier than needed to boost the shipbuilding industry. That LHD will replace an LPD which could have been kept in service until 2020 without strain.
The Loreint yard where horizons were built are busy with the FREMM. ANS STX need some work, so a 3rd mistral was ordered. The canceling of the 6 additional FREMM has increased the cost of the FREDA. The CDG and or PA2 carrier groups will be fine, but the Mistrals are bascially defenseless with Simbad. The FREDA will be the main escorts for the amph groups. In real hostile warzone they will probably be assigned to a carrier group. I have a rumor that 16 additonal A70 vls can be added forward to FREMM. i seen some sources in French, but the DGA doesn't confirm the rumor.
 

StevoJH

The Bunker Group
How much did the development work for FREDA cost? Or is FREDA just a copy of the italian spec FREMM (EMPAR)?

In which case it will be nowhere even close to a Horizon without a VSR.
 

kev 99

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How much did the development work for FREDA cost? Or is FREDA just a copy of the italian spec FREMM (EMPAR)?

In which case it will be nowhere even close to a Horizon without a VSR.
No the FREDA has an improved Herakles radar, it sounds like a very poor AAW ship compared to a Horizon.
 
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reminds me in many ways to the early t-42 the idea is seemed quite sound not sure about the execution
The carrier groups will be fine even if the E-2s can't fly because of bad weather. The FREDA will be almost identical to the FREMM, so the MN should be able to upgrade 1 to 2 FREMM to the FREDA standard if they need more AAW frigates in the future. The MN biggest weakest is it's ASW frigates. The Dupleix (D641) is the only ASW frigate assigned to CDG CBG near Libya. Five FREMM will be based at Brest leaving just four FREMM for the CBGs and amph groups. Each group usually has two ASW frigates. The MN needs to buy OPVs with ASW systems for the FOST, so all of the FREMM can be assigned to the Force d'action navale. The Mistrals are far more vulnerable to ASUW missile than the CDG. The CDG has 32 Aster 15 and 2 sadral launchers. The Mistrals only have simbad launchers.
 
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youpii

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F-18 interoperability

I recall that some US F-18, E-2, and C-2 landed on CdG.
What about Finnish, Spanish, and Swiss F-18?
 

Jhom

New Member
I recall that some US F-18, E-2, and C-2 landed on CdG.
What about Finnish, Spanish, and Swiss F-18?
I dont know about the swiss and the finns, but surely I can tell you that not a single EF-18 has ever even tried to do so.

All the EF-18 are under the command of the EdA, so no naval operations for them aside of the anti-ship role... and that should be the same with the Finnish and Swiss air forces...

Maybe the Harriers of the Armada... they landed a few times in the Galicia´s deck so its possible they have landed on the CdG.
 

vivtho

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The US C-2 greyhounds have left CdG after only two weeks.
Mer et Marine : Les C-2 américains ont quitté le porte-avions Charles de Gaulle
But it actually sounds that MN needs that capabilty.

Greyhounds are much cheaper (about 39M$) than Hawkeyes. MN should buy a couple of them for Carrier Onboard Delivery. And maybe also convert them for air refuelling.
The Greyhound is out of production. Some years back Grumman offered to reopen the line to which the USN declined ... the exact year eludes me but it was around the time when the US Navy was looking for a common platform to replace the S-3, KS-3, KA-6, ES-3, EA-6 and possibly (a long shot) the E-2.
 

youpii

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The Greyhound is out of production. Some years back Grumman offered to reopen the line to which the USN declined ... the exact year eludes me but it was around the time when the US Navy was looking for a common platform to replace the S-3, KS-3, KA-6, ES-3, EA-6 and possibly (a long shot) the E-2.
Yes it seems that USN is trying to convince France & UK to join the C2's replacement program
Mer et Marine : Le remplaçant du C-2 américain intéresse Français et Britanniques
 

stormrider

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the reliance on E2 for defense of the fleet is troublesome as you can't always count on being able to fly and having your defense reliant on 4 AWACS to protect anganist all threats not just aircraft but missiles and reling on the L16 for targeting info. just seems like a quite a vulnerable point of failure
Do you think turning on your ships powerful radars is a better tactic than a stand off AWACS?

In my opinion, the first point of failure is showing where you are.
 
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