I don't accept it is more expensive to build in series rather than than together and none one here has provided any logic to suggest otherwise. When questioned I did.
I agree with most of your post, I don't think the wars have been of any value, losing in Afghanistan will do the same damage to the West as it did in Vietnam.
Logic? I must of missed the logic you provided, what I did see was a lot of opinions about building a RN procurement model based on that used by the USN (loL). Unit cost goes down when you build things in bigger lots, likewise placing orders in multiples means cost goes down because the manufacturer has guarenteed work, if you can't accept this then that's you're problem, but that is the way it works.
Astute certainly is not being built to close together, it's being deliberately slowed down to keep in the industrial base intact for the Vanguard Successor programme, and in fact the build cycle is being carefully managed because it's a special case keeping the skills intact to keep the programme on track.
10 billion is the figure for the total program cost, including air wing and the cost of fitting out the dock, design work etc. The actual unit cost of the carriers isn't anywhere near that and that's widely understood. The MOD included a rebuttal in their recent mailout.
Unit cost goes down if you are in a production line enviroment, not when it is virtually bespoke build. The guarantee of work is more relevant over the industrial cycle.
You should try proof reading you replies, people might take you more seriously if you included less spelling mistakes or at least used the correct words.
It's not a guarantee of work a company expects it’s the likelihood to receive it; a successful car manufacturer is not sustained in business by guarantees of work but predictable sales volumes. There is more likely with a series production over a greater period of time. The current approach will lead to feast and famine.
1805......
Dassault successfully lobbied to have the Jaguar M project teminated in favour of the Super Etendard, the official reason was the Jaguars carrier lauch, recovery and fly around performance with one engine out was insufficient. One wonders how the vastly inferior, significantly more expensive, single engined Super Etendard would have performed with its one and only engine out.
Sorry but you're talking rubbish, manufacturers live off orders not promises.
I'm not sure why anyone keeps arguing the point with 1805 - we've been over this territory so many times now my head hurts thinking about it.
Clemenceau had a full load displacement nearer 32K which was about 5K heavier than say, Hermes, so Clemenceau would definitely have been able to fly off and recover Buccs.
Well I do work in procurement, in bespoke manufacture it is not always the case, and it clearly is not the case with the CVF.
That's probably right. The F4K needed an extended nose wheel as well. (Remember that Buccaneers and Scimitars used to take off with their nose wheel off the deck!)
Really? Odd that you seem to think that buying in small volumes doesn't cost more then.
Eagle had a full angle deck, Type 984 radar and a cat capable of launching Spey Phantoms (used for the Spey Phantom carrier qualification), as such was superior to Ark prior to her Phantom mod. She was also in better condition materially and would have required far less extensive mods to have allowed her to operate Phantoms as part of her air group.
Here's a Phantom from the JFK trapping on Ark.
In shipbuilding you need to be building several hulls to a mature, fixed design before you start to see any savings. When you are talking about a clean sheet design there will be numerous changes during construction of the first ship just to get it built, as the first ship undergoes trials more changes will be identified, some will be incorporated into the second ship but others will have to wait until ship three or four. Add to this obsolescence of components and systems and you will see further changes and don’t forget operational experience and the resulting requirements that will also affect the design.