Austal to Build US Navy Ships in the Philippines

fretburner

Banned Member
Simply awesome! I hope this pushes through. It says in the article that a deal is supposed to be signed in a couple of months. Baby steps...
 

T.C.P

Well-Known Member
Great news for the Philippine maritime industry!

Hopefully the deal will be signed quickly.
 

wormhole

New Member
Excellent development indeed!
I hope they do a good job with the first ship, other business is bound to follow.
 

Todjaeger

Potstirrer
Are Austal's facilities in the US and WA fully maxed out with construction? If not then this is a very big investment......
Having read the article, I have to wonder whether the author made certain assumptions...

Per the article, it stated outright that Austal will be opening a facility in the Philippines. It also mentioned that Austal has a $10 bil. contract with the USN... The only contracts I can think of which Austal would have for that amount with the USN is as part of the LCS programme, which Austal already has a US facility to handle.

Depending on what Austal does with the Philippine facility, it might start construction of fast ferries, in which case if the USN does order more JHSV's some/all might be constructed in the Philippines. Having said that though, I do not see reliable evidence than any USN orders with Austal are going to be built within the Philippines. Historically, US defence orders are largely sourced from within the US, even if it is through a US subsidiary of a foreign company. In some cases where a foreign company has particular expertise, then they might receive the order (much like with prior orders for JHSC from Austal's WA facility). Time will tell though.

-Cheers
 

StevoJH

The Bunker Group
It doesn't really make sense for them to build any ships for the USN or RAN in the Phillipines, since certain systems such as Radar and communications systems (if to Military specifications) could probably only be fitted in either the US or Australia for security reasons.

Plus, the RAN, like the USN likes to have their ships built in their own country.
 

fretburner

Banned Member
A friend of mine who's been in Cebu in the past few years just sent me another article saying that Austal will NOT be building USN ships but some of their commercial lines.

I guess we'll know for sure when the contract gets signed.

Commercial or military, I don't really care. It's still great news! If the Cebu workforce are able to prove themselves building quality commercial ships, I'm sure it's just a matter of time that Military ships be built in the same facility. And maybe the Philippine Navy will make a deal with Austal to "militarize" some commercial ships for it's own use -- OPVs or transports :)
 

StevoJH

The Bunker Group
Military ships for the USN and RAN will continue to be built at the Henderson, WA and Mobile Bay, Alabama facilities of Austal. If Austal said "ok, if you give us this contract we'll build it offshore" they wouldn't get the contract.

I'd say this means that Austals other facilities are reaching capacity. :)
 

wormhole

New Member
A big letdown

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but it looks like this was never going to happen. I think what likely happened is that former mayor was trying to get some publicity and the media fanned the hype w/o bothering to confirm if the story was legit.

Updated: Austal not moving LCS, JHSV production to the Philippines | al.com

Updated: Austal not moving LCS, JHSV production to the Philippines
Published: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 5:23 PM Updated: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 5:26 PM
By Dan Murtaugh, Press-Register



MOBILE, Ala. -- Austal Ltd.'s search for a new commercial shipyard apparently led to speculation last week that the company might be moving production of its vessels for the U.S. Navy out of Mobile.

The company denied those reports Tuesday, affirming that it will build littoral combat ships and joint high-speed vessels at its Mobile River shipyard.

"Austal has no intention whatsoever to build its LCS or JHSV vessels anywhere other than at Austal USA in Mobile," the company said in a statement issued Tuesday.

The Cebu Daily News reported last week that Austal would build U.S. Navy ships at a facility it was developing in the 66,000-person town of Balamban on the island of Cebu. The article quoted a former mayor of Balamban, who said the development would generate 2,000 jobs for the town.
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MOBILE, Ala. -- Austal Ltd., the parent company of Mobile shipbuilder Austal USA, announced Tuesday that it would not move U.S. Navy production out of Mobile and into the Philippines.
 

Todjaeger

Potstirrer
I'd say this means that Austals other facilities are reaching capacity. :)
That or bean counters made the determination that more profit could be earned by having the work done outside WA, since a yardworker in Cebu could be paid less than one in Henderson.

Given the tone and questionable nature of the blog making the initial report, I am going to wait for Austal to make a corporate announcement that they have setup a facility in Cebu. Until Austal does that, and/or makes and announcement that they are fufilling some orders from a Philippines/Cebu facility, I would not assume that Austal is actually opening a third facility just yet.

-Cheers

EDIT: Additional comment.

There are basically three reasons for a manufacturer to open a new facility, especially a new facility overseas. These are;

1. Access to a new market/markets. An example of this occurring would be Austal's Mobile AL facility, which allowed Austal to participate in the USN's LCS programme.

2. Next is reduced operating costs for a new facility. This is particularly true of manufacturing facilites being setup in developing nations. The workforce/labor costs are generally significantly lower than in industrial nations in addition, many of the OS&H and environmental requirements found in industrialized nations are either significantly less or non-existant in developing nations. As long as a sufficiently skilled workforce and QA team exists on-site, a facility in a developing nation will have a lower operating cost than one in Australia, the US, or other similarly developed nations.

3. Original site has reached capacity. As a rule, this is the least likely of reasons for a company to setup an overseas production facility, simply because it is usually easier to expand a site to increase capacity. Unless of course a major expansion of capacity (doubling, tripling capacity, etc) is required.
 
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fretburner

Banned Member
Here's the facility referred to by the article: FBMA Marine Inc

I must say... I didn't know they make all those Catamarans. If not for Military ships, it seems like Cebu can surely make commercial ships for Austal. It even has LM as a partner!
 

StingrayOZ

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I wouldn't be suprised if commerical ships are made in the Philippines. The high Australian dollar and relatively expensive workforce means they will struggle internationally in this market.

The Australia dollar is at all times high, and effectively labour and other costs due to the dollar have doubled in comparison to the US dollar. This would allow them to still stay competitive globally, with Australian facilities processing local orders, Philippines doing international and Mobile bay most likely doing the LCS stuff. It also provides some flexability in terms of work force etc. Theres going to be a lot of pressure on Austal on the LCS to come in on time and on budget. The astronomically high Australian dollar does not look like comming down soon, so many Australian businesses will push manufacturing offshore.

Philippines is not a bad choice, close, cheap labor market, close relations to the US and good relations with Australia
 

ThePuss

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I wouldn't be suprised if commerical ships are made in the Philippines. The high Australian dollar and relatively expensive workforce means they will struggle internationally in this market.

The Australia dollar is at all times high, and effectively labour and other costs due to the dollar have doubled in comparison to the US dollar. This would allow them to still stay competitive globally, with Australian facilities processing local orders, Philippines doing international and Mobile bay most likely doing the LCS stuff. It also provides some flexability in terms of work force etc. Theres going to be a lot of pressure on Austal on the LCS to come in on time and on budget. The astronomically high Australian dollar does not look like comming down soon, so many Australian businesses will push manufacturing offshore.

Philippines is not a bad choice, close, cheap labor market, close relations to the US and good relations with Australia
You have hit the nail on the head there mate. According to Janes, Austal is finding hard to compete due to the high aussie dollar so the commercial sector of the business is to go off shore (The article didn't mention the Philippines). Henderson will focus on defense contracts but it did not say if that means that it will build some of the JHSV's, but I would imagine that the Mobile yard would be pritty busy with just the LCS
 

Todjaeger

Potstirrer
I wouldn't be suprised if commerical ships are made in the Philippines. The high Australian dollar and relatively expensive workforce means they will struggle internationally in this market.

The Australia dollar is at all times high, and effectively labour and other costs due to the dollar have doubled in comparison to the US dollar. This would allow them to still stay competitive globally, with Australian facilities processing local orders, Philippines doing international and Mobile bay most likely doing the LCS stuff. It also provides some flexability in terms of work force etc. Theres going to be a lot of pressure on Austal on the LCS to come in on time and on budget. The astronomically high Australian dollar does not look like comming down soon, so many Australian businesses will push manufacturing offshore.

Philippines is not a bad choice, close, cheap labor market, close relations to the US and good relations with Australia
Austal could still run into problems setting up a new facility somewhere else. As I understand it, building complete vessels from marine grade aluminum is a somewhat specialized skill. Austal has a reputation for being at the top of the heap in terms of quality aluminum vessels. Incat in Hobart IIRC also uses aluminum, but does not have the same quality. By setting up a new facility elsewhere, Austal runs the risk of needing to skill-up the workforce at the new site before being able to produce vessels of the same quality as Henderson.

-Cheers
 

StingrayOZ

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Staff member
Austal could still run into problems setting up a new facility somewhere else.
I dunno, there may be some scope. Welders, quality welders are hard to get and retain. Aluminium welders that know there stuff are even harder, aluminium welders that have worked on large ships are even rarer. You won't retain that kind of skill with cashed up mining projects etc comming on line all around your local workforce.

In the Philippines they will be able to train and retain welders. Australian or US workers could then supervise or train welders in the Philippines. In time of crisis or with urgent demand, portions of work could be done in the Philippines or workers moved abroad on short work visa (for urgent defence of Australia stuff). Australian management etc would also get stints overseas. Its close by, simular timezones etc.

I would imagine Austal are getting quite good at setting up new operations. The US seems to have been a success in terms of transfering skills. They will need to do this if they want to keep a hand in the commerical game.
 

wormhole

New Member
If Filipino workers in Austal's Australian shipyard can get the job done, it will be the same in Cebu given the proper training and equipment. I also don't see the Cebu operations having a challenge retaining skilled labor given economic conditions as they are.
 

StingrayOZ

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Staff member
Exactly.

Not only that Filo workers can be moved around to operations in Australia or the US or back home on short term visas. Depending on where demand is.

If Austal gets buckets of orders for the LCS then it has a workforce it can bring in on a short term basis until it can train a larger US force. Same with Australia. It doesn't cost Austal much to have this capability, esp if international orders are already being built in the peans...
 
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