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Which Attack Helicopter Should Indian Army opt for


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Twinblade

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No,
The standard issue rifle will probably be the earlier mentioned tiruchi rifle or a variant / improvement of the INSAS rifle. the special forces will stick with the TAR-21 or TAVOR rifles. I dont think the AK-103 will be in use widely.
An improvement in INSAS is long overdue, it can do with better ergonomics and someone please change the color of polymer parts from the gaudy orange to at least some camouflage pattern. Its a decent gun but it looks totally ridiculous.
 

kay_man

New Member
Blow to indigenous effort??

India plans to purchase 44,618 close-quarter battle (CQB) carbines and 33.6 million rounds of ammunition. This deal is worth a potential $1 billion (Rs.4,440 crore). The Indian Army is looking at a 5.56 mm caliber system with a rate of fire of 660 rounds a minute. Foreign vendors are partnering with Indian firms.
Potential competitors include FN Herstal, Beretta, Heckler and Koch, Israel Weapon Industries Ltd (IWI), Colt Defense Llc, Bushmaster Firearms International Llc and Singapore Technologies Kinetics Ltd, among others. Singapore Technologies may not be allowed to compete. In addition to small arms and ammunition, India will purchase magazines, bayonets, slings, reflex sights and visible and invisible laser spot designators.
The selected carbines will likely be manufactured under licence by the new Indian ordnance unit at Amethi in Uttar Pradesh. In addition to the initial batch, India could manufacture another 116,764 carbines and 218,320 advanced carbines for an estimated $500 million. As many as 10,730 lightweight assault rifles for para-special forces may also be acquired.


Read more: India Seeking Small Arms, Ammunition Worth $1 Billion | Army News at DefenseTalk
 

Twinblade

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Courtesy : Shiv Aroor , Livefist

IAF-IA joint wargame "Vijayi Bhava"

Army-IAF Offensive Drill Near Pak Border Begins

A six-day joint Indian Army-IAF exercise Vijayee Bhava ("Be Victorious") began today in the desert sectors of Western India, bordering Pakistan. The conventional exercise, centred around the Indian Army's 2 Corps, draws elements from both services, and involves simulations of a rapid armoured offensive into enemy territory to hold ground. It is not known if the indigenous Arjun tank, part of the 75th Armoured Regiment, is also part of the exercise.
PHOTOS: Exercise Vijayee Bhava Near The Pak Border

PHOTOS Day 2: Indian Exercise Vijayee Bhava

PHOTOS #1: At Ex Vijayee Bhava

PHOTOS #2: At Ex Vijayee Bhava

PHOTOS #3: At Ex Vijayee Bhava
(^^ this one contains some wallpaper worthy pics of the T-90)

Why MBT Arjun Isn't Part Of The Army's Current Wargame

The Arjun regiment (75th Armoured) comes under the Army's South-Western Command, headquartered in Jaipur, a theatre formation that apparently had nothing to do with the current exercise in terms of asset contributions. The Vijayee Bhava exercise currently deploys a large number of T-90 and T-72 tanks from regiments under the Western Command.
 

Twinblade

Member
Cold Starts isn't cold yet...

Army mobilisation time: 48 hours

Bringing down its mobilisation time drastically, the Indian Army can now move forces in just 48 hours, as against the almost-month-long time required by it earlier.
The swift mobilisation is a result of the just concluded strike corps exercise, ‘Vijayee Bhava’, in Rajasthan’s Thar desert.
....... said better road management, better offloading, better rail links, equipment and man management, have reduced the mobilisation time. Every strike corps has been working at reducing its own mobilisation period.
Command elements comprising the formation commanders earlier used to take eight hours which was now been brought down to two hrs.

Reconnaissance comprising two officers, the second in command of the Brigade and the mobile operations, used to take 12 hours which has been brought down to six hours.

The main body of the formation comprises all the three units in the Brigade and their administration and logistics, which used to take 18 hours earlier, has now been brought down to 12 hours.

The remaining of the troops were given 30 hours, as opposed to their 36 hours.

The mission was successful, with all the units of the 60 Brigade meeting at the destined point in 45 hours, and another couple of hours for a final check. The distance covered was around 450 kilometers, and approximately 3500 personnel moved on road, on transportation that was either hired or were army trucks.

A Division has three Brigades in it, and for a complete Division to mobilise, another 10 hours could be added to this, said asource, but for a fighting unit formation, Vijayee Bhava has proved that the target of 48 hours can be achieved.

Support elements, like engineers, logistics, doctors, medical care, artillery, and other administrative items also move along, all of which take time to fall in place. ‘Vijayee Bhava’ also tested the advanced version of the indigenous Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH), with a glass cockpit.
Seems like they have a doctrine in place now, I wonder how long will it take to implement across all commands...
 

surpreme

Member
If India want to play with the big boyz it need to get the AH-64A/D. I haven't heard to much about India plans to equiped it Air Army with update helicopters. Did they make an decision yet?
 

Twinblade

Member
If India want to play with the big boyz it need to get the AH-64A/D. I haven't heard to much about India plans to equiped it Air Army with update helicopters. Did they make an decision yet?
AH-64 is expected to win the attack helo tender (28 Nos). Overall all three services plan to induct over 1000 helos before 2020.
 

Twinblade

Member
Latest version of Arjun Mark II tank to be tested for the first time

The Combat Vehicles Research and Development Establishment (CVRDE) has designed Arjun Mark II with the 93 recommendations put forward by the various stakeholders including the Army.

Arjun Mark II can fire missiles, have an enhanced Auxiliary Power Unit (APU) with a capacity of 8.5 KW (against Mark I's 4.5 KW), Explosive Reactive Armour panels (ERA), mine plough, Automatic Target Tracking (ATT), Advanced Land Navigation System (ALNS), digital control harness, advanced commander panoramic sight among other features, the official said.

Arjun will have a better gun barrel with an Equivalent Firing Charge (strength of the barrel to sustain firing) of 500 rounds against T 72's 250 rounds.

"Mark II will be able to travel at a speed of 60 km per hour in normal terrain and 40 km per hour in harsh terrain. On completion, the MBT will weigh around 66 tonnes," the official said.
"If everything goes on track, Heavy Vehicles Factory here will roll out its first batch of Mark II by the end of 2014 and a unit will cost Rs 35 crore. Mark II will have 90 per cent Indian components in its making," the official added.
That is almost $ 8 million USD !! For that price it better have some sort of Klingon cloaking device :p: This time army will call it overpriced and reject it :rolleyes: The link also claims it is going to weigh 66 tons.

Also rumored:
Modular armor ?? (courtesy Israel)
An improved gun ??
120 mm APAM rounds for rifled gun (courtesy Israel)

Prasun K Sengupta has written a lot about what is going to be in Mk2, but at this moment it cannot be verified
Arjun Mk2 MBT Emerges
 
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Waylander

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8 million US$ is not really more expensive than what one would have to pay for the latest versions of western tanks.

Not really overpriced if one takes into account that it pushes India's independence of foreign arms.
 

Twinblade

Member
8 million US$ is not really more expensive than what one would have to pay for the latest versions of western tanks.

Not really overpriced if one takes into account that it pushes India's independence of foreign arms.
Ironically, Arjun has been made possible by massive international support, German consultancy on design, (rumored) British help on gun and armor (hence the armor named after Kanchbaugh where DRDO facility is placed, as in an obivious hint to Chobham Common, Surrey) German engine and transmission, Israeli help on FCS and ammunition. Its an MBT version of frankenstein's monster :p:
 

Waylander

Defense Professional
Verified Defense Pro
But that's how you do it.

It's the same way JaPan got it's Type90, Korea it's K1 and Israel it's Merkava and it's how Turkey is going to get it's Altair.
The follow on designs of these countries included many more indigineous stuff due to what they learned with the first design.

One doesn't design a top notch MBT out of nothing with no prior experience.
 

shag

New Member
Found this cool video about the paras.
My apologies if it has been posted before, but I think its worth posting again :)
[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdKMOIvts0"]YouTube - ‪Indian Army Parachute Regiment - Para Commandos‬‏[/nomedia]
 

Twinblade

Member
Interesting development, the BSF is calling the HAL Dhruvs useless-

BSF writes to govt on 'Dhruv' choppers - Express India


The air wing of the BSF is the primary air wing fighting the Naxals, the Indian govt should look at this, better to equip them with work horses like the Mi-17s and Bell-212s.
BSF has a really terrible record with any airborne asset. They already have Mi-17s (also grounded), a couple of avro's (also grounded). Dhruv isn't as rugged as Mi-17s but IA is doing fine with it (fine as in operating them at Siachen, the helicopter graveyard)
 

T.C.P

Well-Known Member
BSF has a really terrible record with any airborne asset. They already have Mi-17s (also grounded), a couple of avro's (also grounded). Dhruv isn't as rugged as Mi-17s but IA is doing fine with it (fine as in operating them at Siachen, the helicopter graveyard)
Whats the reason behind this? lack of trained pilots or engineers to maintain the chopper?, lack of funds? or something else?
 
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