meatshield
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If Australia buy one of the bays class ships how much do you think they will pay for it?
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my bet is less than 150m AUD
weegee
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Hi Guys I am new here but have taken a keen interest into our navy of late and in particular the Canberra Class and hopefully the RFA Largs Bay. My question is has anyone else actually bid on the Largs bay? I have been searching all over the internet and I can not find anyone else who has mentioned it other than the RAN? There has been a lot of speculation of other countries who could and who should maybe put a tender in but when I have searched on their country forums there has been no mention of the Largs Bay?
Or is it all secret stuff that a pleb like myself would never find haha?
If she is going through a government bid process, the selling government is expected to keep the bids secret... I have read Chile, Brazil, and India wanted her as well, but I doubt any would out bid Australia... We'll know in a few weeks which bid won...
Without a doubt the RFA Largs Bay is considered a cream puff, a recently built used ship on the market. There will be a lot of interest especially from nations that buy used ships most of the time...
Brazil, Canada, Chile & India have all had a look at her. Brazil & Canada have been reported to have done thorough examinations, with a second team taking a detailed look after an initial report. Chile & India are reported to have made only cursory examinations.
It's not been revealed who has bid, or exactly how many countries have done so, but IIRC a statement was made referring to 'bids'.
weegee
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So I guess we will wait and see huh hopefully the "mother land" shows us some favouritism huh.
Secondly I know there seems to be a hell of a lot of people on here who are desperate for the Canberra class to be substitute fixed wing carriers, and from what I have read this will never happen as they just don't have the capacity for such operations. But will this mean that fixed wing won't land on them ever? i.e Marine Harriers from the USN or RN during combined exercises etc? or is this out of the question too?
Secondly I know there seems to be a hell of a lot of people on here who are desperate for the Canberra class to be substitute fixed wing carriers, and from what I have read this will never happen as they just don't have the capacity for such operations. But will this mean that fixed wing won't land on them ever? i.e Marine Harriers from the USN or RN during combined exercises etc? or is this out of the question too?
If you do a search through not only this thread but the recently closed "Hypothetical Carrier for the RAN" thread you will find lots & lots of info on this very subject
But in short you will see cross decking of fixed wing A/C on the Canberra's, but when or how long is anyone's guess
Cheers
from what i have seen there is only 1 who is desperate for F-35 on the Canberras.
the Canberras are capable of both landing and launching STOVL a/c you will never see any RN/RAF fixed wing a/c on the canberras as they are buying the CV variant not STOVL. the USMC more likely than not will have a harrier/F-35 or two on the canberras at some stage just as a photo op.
meatshield
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I wouldn't be so sure of that. The US is running debt of about 95% of gdp, at some stage they are going to have to do something about that. That might include reducing ships, planes ect. You might get to the stage when the USMC might need a lift somewhere..
Deficits have been part of the US economy since WWII. I would focus on the immediate picture. Is the US defunding their armed forces and slashing capability? Nope. Until they start to do that thinking it’s the end of US military power because of their budget structure is like thinking we are all going to die in 10 years because of global warming. What this has to do with the capability of the Canberra class LHD is beyond ridiculous.
weegee
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Excuse my ignorance about these ships, but what are they really for? Is it to show/flex muscle in the pacific area? or are they really more about disaster relief helping out other countries in time of need etc with the added benefit of dropping a heap of troops/tanks and other attacking items on someone's doorstep if needed?
Is it to show/flex muscle in the pacific area? or are they really more about disaster relief helping out other countries in time of need etc with the added benefit of dropping a heap of troops/tanks and other attacking items on someone's doorstep if needed?
For east timor we essentially had no way to get stuff there. We painted a aluminium ferry and pretented it could do the mission.
Uses:
* Disaster relief - Australia can move aid, bulky goods like dozers, trucks, cranes, its got a hospital, fresh water, electricity, fuel, helos. It can turn up and offer everything you need and relys on nothing not even a port from the area its in.
* Amphibious landings - Somewhere things have fallen appart, we need to help, there is no contest for a landing, no highly organised resistance, but ports are unsecure or blocked etc. East timor maybe clicked up a notch or two. We can solve that.
* Overseas missions - Anti priacy, policing, aid, supporting Aus or friendlys afar. Africa, ME, Asia etc, where local facilities aren't avalible or there.
* Supporting US forces in a flat out amphib assault. We could move all our own equipment and contribute significantly with out complicating things for them and trying to leech off there capabilities. Things means we are more autonomous, more capable, will learn a lot more, and more self sufficent.
* We can command the hell out of things. This is our ship of operations. We can control everything from a LHD. Means the US doesn't have to send out an asset to do that for us or our allies.
Also we can park them off a island nation if it looks like things are going to go bad or they need extended peace keeping or policing. Which means in real terms, more stability. As if there is some underhanded bloody power grab or genocide, we can kick down the door in minutes.
Great assets. Why we didn't get them when we lost Melb, I will never know. We needed these for a long time.
Uses:
* Disaster relief - Australia can move aid, bulky goods like dozers, trucks, cranes, its got a hospital, fresh water, electricity, fuel, helos. It can turn up and offer everything you need and relys on nothing not even a port from the area its in.
* Amphibious landings - Somewhere things have fallen appart, we need to help, there is no contest for a landing, no highly organised resistance, but ports are unsecure or blocked etc. East timor maybe clicked up a notch or two. We can solve that.
* Overseas missions - Anti priacy, policing, aid, supporting Aus or friendlys afar. Africa, ME, Asia etc, where local facilities aren't avalible or there.
* Supporting US forces in a flat out amphib assault. We could move all our own equipment and contribute significantly with out complicating things for them and trying to leech off there capabilities. Things means we are more autonomous, more capable, will learn a lot more, and more self sufficent.
* We can command the hell out of things. This is our ship of operations. We can control everything from a LHD. Means the US doesn't have to send out an asset to do that for us or our allies.
Also we can park them off a island nation if it looks like things are going to go bad or they need extended peace keeping or policing. Which means in real terms, more stability. As if there is some underhanded bloody power grab or genocide, we can kick down the door in minutes.
Great assets. Why we didn't get them when we lost Melb, I will never know. We needed these for a long time.
RFA Largs Bay / HMAS Choules
Looks like the RAN has just picked up the RFA Largs Bay for 65 million quid (or AUD 102 million) to provide the rapid replacement for HMAS Manoora and once the Canberra class LHDs are in service as the Phase 3C sealift ship. Also as part of the Government's plan to remediate the amphibious force an Australian built multi hull fast ferry will be leased. Good news for the Navy and ADF and thanks to timely Ministerial intervention in a rapidly arising problem.
Looks like the RAN has just picked up the RFA Largs Bay for 65 million quid (or AUD 102 million) to provide the rapid replacement for HMAS Manoora and once the Canberra class LHDs are in service as the Phase 3C sealift ship. Also as part of the Government's plan to remediate the amphibious force an Australian built multi hull fast ferry will be leased. Good news for the Navy and ADF and thanks to timely Ministerial intervention in a rapidly arising problem.
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That's excellent news if it eventuates.
The RN retiring such a young capable ship at this time is incredibly fortunate for RAN.
The fact that it will help fill the Manoora void and then slot nicely in Phase 3c, more so.
Presuming internals are by and large 240v 50 hz, although the poms use a different power plug pin configuration. Would it be likely to require much of a makeover before RAN service?
cheers
rb
RAN purchases Largs Bay
This will certainly help;
Defence buys "value for money" ship | The Australian
and at a bargain price as well.
Given the ridiculous predicament we got ourselves into with Kanimbla & Manoora , this is very good news indeed.
This will certainly help;
Defence buys "value for money" ship | The Australian
and at a bargain price as well.
Given the ridiculous predicament we got ourselves into with Kanimbla & Manoora , this is very good news indeed.
You really gotta hand it to the minister, he has been under a lot of pressure lately and he has done a good job under the circumstances. When I found out we launched a bid on the ADM website I sorta face palmed at the comments of "ZOMGGG another second hand ship" when people failed to realise it was fairly new and in good condition.
Although I would have been really pissed off had Brazil or Chile won over us.
Although I would have been really pissed off had Brazil or Chile won over us.
Not a major issue, more interested in whether we stop the repairs to the Kanimbla ? And what we will do re the Tobruk repairs as well. It will also be interesting to know what plans they have for the LB for the Ops Rooms, Comms etc ? There is a lot of spare gear out there
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Largs Bay acquisition
Minister for Defence Stephen Smith and Minister for Defence Materiel Jason Clare today announced that Australia has been successful in its bid to acquire the United Kingdom’s Bay Class amphibious ship Largs Bay.
The Government has previously announced that it had asked Defence to develop new and comprehensive options to ensure transition to Australia’s Canberra Class amphibious Landing Helicopter Dock ships, which become operational from 2014, including the lease or purchase of a Bay Class Ship from the UK Government.
Today, the Government is confirming that Australia has been successful in its bid to acquire a Bay Class ship, Largs Bay.
Largs Bay is a Landing Ship Dock (LSD) which was commissioned into service in 2006. It became surplus to United Kingdom (UK) requirements as a result of the UK Government’s 2010 Defence Strategic Review.
The ship weighs 16,000 tonnes. It is 176 metres long and 26 metres wide. Its flight deck has room for two large helicopters and can also carry around 150 light trucks and 350 troops. Its cargo capacity is the equivalent of the Royal Australian Navy’s entire amphibious fleet.
Largs Bay is a proven capability having provided humanitarian relief as part of the international response to the Haiti earthquake in 2010.
Largs Bay will help ensure that the Royal Australian Navy has the amphibious capability it needs for operation and humanitarian support in our region in the period leading up to the arrival of the Landing Helicopter Dock Ships.
The ship has been acquired for £65 million (approximately $100 million).
Teekay Shipping Australia has thoroughly inspected the ship and found that: “The ship presents very well, and from a technical point of view, there are no major defects.”
Before the acquisition is finalised, Defence and the Royal Australian Navy will conduct sea trials to confirm the material state of the ship.
The ship is expected to arrive by the end of the year in time for it to be operational in early 2012.
The Government will announce further details of the transition plan for Australia’s amphibious ship capability to provide this essential capability until arrival of the Canberra Class in due course.
Australian Government, Department of Defence - Stephen Smith MP
Now for the really BIG questions, what will it be called in ADF service and what gats is it going to mount?
I'm calling a 25mm Typhoon on the front and a couple of 12.7mm Mini-Typhoons for the remainder of the arcs...
No buzz's yet to what she will be called.
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