Royal Australian Navy Discussions and Updates

[Volkodav]

My first job wrt Collins was identifying and sourcing accredited welders. the nightmare ones were the overhead and underwater welders, we basically had to rape the mining industry and oil rig service sector. they were like hens teeth. we had some probs with TIG welders as well, but thats because we busted some of the hands making and selling titanium spinner plates for nearby harley davidson owners.... (hint hint)

re cutting the hull, I was around when 2,3 and 4 were in build and 5 was starting up.
the section of the hull that I recall everyone was nervous about was the combat room due to its own skeleton (and materials made out of)

Many of the old hands are still around the place and training up the new generation to the point that BIW are amazed by the quality of the work being done. One thing the GFC did do was convince many who had left for greener pastures that BHP, Rio Tinto etc (although they pay more) were not the most compasionate or sensible employer.

 

[Kirkzzy]

Sorry to interrupt on the convo, you can continue after my question by all means.

I just wanted to know if someone could point out the advantages or disadvantages of an air defence ship (much like the AWD). And how capable they are at fleet air defence, like how many "enemy" aircraft are they designed to take down.

Anyway continue with sub convo, just a little side question I wanted to know.

 

[SASWanabe]

Sorry to interrupt on the convo, you can continue after my question by all means.

I just wanted to know if someone could point out the advantages or disadvantages of an air defence ship (much like the AWD). And how capable they are at fleet air defence, like how many "enemy" aircraft are they designed to take down.

Anyway continue with sub convo, just a little side question I wanted to know.

"advantages or disadvantages" compared to what exactly?

 

[AegisFC]

Sorry to interrupt on the convo, you can continue after my question by all means.

I just wanted to know if someone could point out the advantages or disadvantages of an air defence ship (much like the AWD). And how capable they are at fleet air defence, like how many "enemy" aircraft are they designed to take down.

Anyway continue with sub convo, just a little side question I wanted to know.

Do some searches on this sub-forum the general capabilities of the F-100 and Aegis are discussed in both this thread and a thread on the AWD selection.

 

[Kirkzzy]

"advantages or disadvantages" compared to what exactly?

Well lets say something that also does Air Defence say a carrier. What I am trying to get at, if push come to shove and there was about 12 enemy craft approaching the fleet (and it had an AWD) would the AWD be able to take most of them out?

 

[Sea Toby]

Well lets say something that also does Air Defence say a carrier. What I am trying to get at, if push come to shove and there was about 12 enemy craft approaching the fleet (and it had an AWD) would the AWD be able to take most of them out?

In general yes.... What the Standard missiles won't get the other ships of the fleet's evolved Sea Sparrows will have the opportunity to get closer in, and with a final grasp their CIWS will get...

That is with twelve attacking enemy aircraft.... But the defensive missile systems of a fleet can be overwhelmed with larger numbers of enemy aircraft...

Eventually it comes down to how many aircraft will an enemy engage against a fleet, much less how large and dispersed a fleet is, as there are other mission calls for the aircraft's service besides maritime strike missions...

There are no guarantees a ship in the fleet won't get hurt, or whether all of the aircraft will be shot down either...

 

[Kirkzzy]

In general yes.... What the Standard missiles won't get the other ships of the fleet's evolved Sea Sparrows will have the opportunity to get closer in, and with a final grasp their CIWS will get...

That is with twelve attacking enemy aircraft.... But the defensive missile systems of a fleet can be overwhelmed with larger numbers of enemy aircraft...

Eventually it comes down to how many aircraft will an enemy engage against a fleet, much less how large and dispersed a fleet is, as there are other mission calls for the aircraft's service besides maritime strike missions...

There are no guarantees a ship in the fleet won't get hurt, or whether all of the aircraft will be shot down either...

Ahh all right thanks mate. I was sorta thinking to myself "wait... one ship can do all that?" thanks for the clarification.

 

[gf0012-aust]

Ahh all right thanks mate. I was sorta thinking to myself "wait... one ship can do all that?" thanks for the clarification.

these ships can literally track manage hundreds of concurrent hostiles.

 

[Kirkzzy]

these ships can literally track manage hundreds of concurrent hostiles.

Damn that's a good buy. Just makes you wonder... Did we get the right amount? Although if they are only doing escorts than three seems like enough I guess for our amphibious assets. Its not like they are going to be sent out independently, that would be more of an Anzac job.

 

[SASWanabe]

Damn that's a good buy. Just makes you wonder... Did we get the right amount? Although if they are only doing escorts than three seems like enough I guess for our amphibious assets. Its not like they are going to be sent out independently, that would be more of an Anzac job.

if we had of gotten the evolved burke, i think we would all be happy with 3, but with the F-100 i think 4 would be best.

 

[Kirkzzy]

if we had of gotten the evolved burke, i think we would all be happy with 3, but with the F-100 i think 4 would be best.

How so? If they are only for escorting, with only one needing to be available at each time what is the point of a fourth with increased availability of a seconf ship.

 

[Volkodav]

How so? If they are only for escorting, with only one needing to be available at each time what is the point of a fourth with increased availability of a seconf ship.

Ones in a major refit and a minimum of 2 months to get back in service, ones coming to the end of a long deployment and in desperate need of a minor refit and the third runs aground or breaks a crank in a propulsion diesel during work up. Thats where hulls 4 and even 5 become attractive. No real issue though as based on history (and as Abe has suggested) at least some of the ANZAC replacements will end up as air warfare platforms in addition to the currently planned ASW and land attack capabilities.

 

[aussienscale]

Probably i doubt Adf has asked Navantia a cheaper S80 without aip, maybe more other countries interested in less sofisticated sub,not just about aip, and as cheap as possible. But a couple of things, Adf went to Cartagena to see in situ the works on S80, some months ago, and Aussienscale heard some buzz, joke or not Aussienscale can say it, i didn´t launch the rumour.

Sorry guy's been busy starting a new job and travelling a lot for the last 2 weeks, would have nipped it in the bud sooner

Jaimito, my original quote was very obviously a joke and very sarcastic, whether this has been lost in translation ? I am not sure but from your first use of my original quote you have been told by numerous members of the intent of my post, and you continue to use and mis-quote me to suit your matter of fact (lack of fact) arguments.

Please DO NOT mis-quote me again to try and ad weight to your argument, it is not appreciated

 

[SASWanabe]

i have been wondering, if we dont get Largs Bay what happens? do we just make do with Tobruk until canberra comes online or will we go looking for something else?

anyone have any input?

 

[Bonza]

Jaimito, my original quote was very obviously a joke and very sarcastic, whether this has been lost in translation ? I am not sure but from your first use of my original quote you have been told by numerous members of the intent of my post, and you continue to use and mis-quote me to suit your matter of fact (lack of fact) arguments.

Please DO NOT mis-quote me again to try and ad weight to your argument, it is not appreciated

I'd be paying serious attention to this Jaimito. Taking people out of context in order to add to your own arguments, along with showing off this attitude of "correcting people" and "giving lessons" is really poor form. Take this as a warning mate - the last one you're going to get.

 

[Sea Toby]

i have been wondering, if we dont get Largs Bay what happens? do we just make do with Tobruk until canberra comes online or will we go looking for something else?

anyone have any input?

I don't have a clue.... But I can't see how in the situation Australia is with their amphibious ships at the moment, Australia would not be the highest bidder... The RFA Largs Bay does fill the billing for the future third sealift ship...

 

[StoresBasher]

i have been wondering, if we dont get Largs Bay what happens? do we just make do with Tobruk until canberra comes online or will we go looking for something else?

anyone have any input?

I already answered this a couple weeks back

 

[Jaimito]

Sorry guy's been busy starting a new job and travelling a lot for the last 2 weeks, would have nipped it in the bud sooner

Jaimito, my original quote was very obviously a joke and very sarcastic, whether this has been lost in translation ? I am not sure but from your first use of my original quote you have been told by numerous members of the intent of my post, and you continue to use and mis-quote me to suit your matter of fact (lack of fact) arguments.

Please DO NOT mis-quote me again to try and ad weight to your argument, it is not appreciated

heeheh

I paste:

separate response:

and for goodness sake, we will not be buying extra new spanish ships - that's not even on the radar

Are you sure about that ? I heard a really good buzz that the S-80........

Can you explain me where are the obvious sarcastic joking bits of this very short words? I just see Gf telling something and you replying to it.

But don´t worry your words nor any of this forum will increase the cheap tech transfer that you would get in that case.:smokie

Mod edit: Per final warning already issued, please enjoy your vacation.
-Preceptor

 

[Volkodav]

I wonder if we could apply the steel is cheap and air is free mantra to the future OPCs and ensure they had a decent logistics support capability to prevent this block obsolescence thing ever happening again. A sort of modern day APD that would provide us with multiple hulls capable of a Company lift, operate a couple of helicopters and carry a couple of LCVPs or CB-90’s and a large multi function space similar to the LCS concept or perhaps even a mini version of the Danish Absalons.

 

[SASWanabe]

seems to me like your hinting at one of Austal's MRVs

http://www.austal.com/download.cfm?DownloadFile=8CD0409E-65BF-EBC1-23F60FE851E1F144

i wonder if that deck crane can handle a CB90