Royal Australian Navy Discussions and Updates

[ThePuss]

Follow the bellow link for two excellent videos from ABC news

Navy's biggest ship takes to the water - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

In the first vid the reporter covers the launch and then goes for a wonder around JC1.

In the second he covers the launch in more detail with a couple of interviews.


As to pennant numbers I believe Stores Basher is correct. Whilst it may seem strange that the second ship is 01 and the first is 02 but I think keeping the same number as their predecessor is a nice nod to history.

 

[icelord]

Yes I am on Manoora, questions?

Have DSCM(NPCMA) worked out what to do with you all or just let you slide easy on sea going a litte longer....:

the first vid the reporter covers the launch and then goes for a wonder around JC1.

Cheers for the Vid, outstanding looking inside the ship, if thats the bunks Pongos get cant wait to see J/S...
Do hope the Govt. could get the spanish Juan Carlos to tour Aus as a warm up demo for what we are expecting, much like AWD visit a few years back to sell it to Defence and Govt. Officials.

If you need speed you use air. The RAAF could have evacuated Hamilton Island while a fast catamaran was still motoring there from where-ever.

True, but what do you do when theres no airstrip, or its a Jungle much like Papua where getting Helos in can be difficult, or even small coastal communities?
Having a catarmaran doesnt solve all problems, but it reduces them and allows more options to be opened. If theres a shoreline, the navy can get to it.
The idea is light, Fast travel in and out of the area across Littoral waters where heavy lift ships can run into danger.

 

[StoresBasher]

Have DSCM(NPCMA) worked out what to do with you all or just let you slide easy on sea going a litte longer....:

Nothing as of yet, we are waiting for the official decommissioning date and then work things out from there. We have been told that we'll (SN department) be some of the last people to leave though. Of course if a ship needs someone at short notice, no prizes for guessing where NPCMA eyes will be looking

 

[icelord]

Nothing as of yet, we are waiting for the official decommissioning date and then work things out from there. We have been told that we'll (SN department) be some of the last people to leave though. Of course if a ship needs someone at short notice, no prizes for guessing where NPCMA eyes will be looking

Already started, emails out for the PH IV SMN Officers heading to manoora to go to another ship ASAP.

Hey, again its sea going at building 52....:dbanana

 

[t68]

Finger pointing isn't going to to anyone any good at all.
All we can do now, is to try and right the wrong's.
That would be to get the Bay right now, and get her in service.
Otherwise in a few years time, we'll be kicking ourselves for not doing it.?

It’s was not my intension to finger point, the RAN can only work with what it is given. I just wanted to point out that if the Ausgov doesn’t get the funding right over a period of time, and rob’s Peter to pay Paul we could find ourselves in this very same situation we find ourselves now. At the end of the day when the Canberra class is commissioned into service and the extra sea lift ship comes on line we still will only have the same amount of hull’s doing the same work, albeit with far greater efficiency and capability to what is in service now.

Agree that the bay is the most logical solution to our current woes, but will not be of service for at least 12 months unless we take it as is with RN fit out. I think the RN crew would jump at the chance to co crew her back to Australia whist the RAN crew can get some OJT.

Yes I am on Manoora, questions?

from recce K1

What's the situation with LPA's and Tobruk's crew being occupied until the Bay and LHD's arrive later? Canterbury's core ship crewing is only 53 (excluding flight and army handling crews embarked, and the Bay only 60 according to the Davies PDF etc).


I do apologies if you have taken my remarks as a slight on the RAN and its members that was not my intension.

 

[ThePuss]

Cheers for the Vid, outstanding looking inside the ship, if thats the bunks Pongos get cant wait to see J/S...

Four berth's with attached en suite for Juniors and 2 berth's with en suite for Seniors and Officers. Plus more rec spaces and internet cafes than you can poke a stick at. It also has two massive gyms.....not my bag tough. Anybody on any other class are going to be jealous as hell as at the boys on the Canberra's! :finger

 

[Volkodav]

Finger pointing isn't going to to anyone any good at all.
All we can do now, is to try and right the wrong's.
That would be to get the Bay right now, and get her in service.
Otherwise in a few years time, we'll be kicking ourselves for not doing it.

Yes I am on Manoora, questions?

Correct me if I am wrong but the way I see it is Kanimbla and Manoora were bought as a stop gap before Timor, September 11, the Boxing Day Tsunami and everything else they have provided support for since their acquisition, i.e. they have worked hard under the White Ensign.

They are scheduled to be replaced by new build ships within 4 years and their retirement was imminent, a conscious decision was made several years ago to stretch them until the LHDs were available and they have fallen short. This is really not that surprising and considering their age and condition the RAN and industry have done well to keep them in service for so long. So why, apart from not being available when needed, the recriminations blaming the people who have done their best with what they were given?

Where we are now falls on the decisions made by various governments since the early 70’s. Projects cancelled, opportunities missed etc etc. Abe has mentioned the LCM MkII that was cancelled in favour of the smaller less capable LCHs which are still in service. Why wasn’t a second Tobruk built, why didn’t we buy a second amphib or small helicopter carrier (i.e. San Giorgio) when the carrier program was canned? We could have gone for a new build helicopter capable ship when Vice Admiral Hudson asked for one following the first Fiji coup. We could have proceeded with the THSS, we could have used the LPHs as intended (a stop gap) and had a replacement ready pre 2010.

We didn’t do any of this and what is happening now is the consequence, it has nothing to do the todays sailors, the DMO (CPS) or Australian Industry (now or then).

 

[StoresBasher]

Correct me if I am wrong but the way I see it is Kanimbla and Manoora were bought as a stop gap before Timor, September 11, the Boxing Day Tsunami and everything else they have provided support for since their acquisition, i.e. they have worked hard under the White Ensign.

I remember being on Success when the 2 LST (LPA) were sailed into GI and laughing at their state. We bought them as dud's, they have cost a massive amount throughout their RAN career's, I wonder what the final figure's are, and if we will ever know the exact cost of those bargains ?

 

[StoresBasher]

It’s was not my intension to finger point, the RAN can only work with what it is given. I just wanted to point out that if the Ausgov doesn’t get the funding right over a period of time, and rob’s Peter to pay Paul we could find ourselves in this very same situation we find ourselves now. At the end of the day when the Canberra class is commissioned into service and the extra sea lift ship comes on line we still will only have the same amount of hull’s doing the same work, albeit with far greater efficiency and capability to what is in service now.

Agree that the bay is the most logical solution to our current woes, but will not be of service for at least 12 months unless we take it as is with RN fit out. I think the RN crew would jump at the chance to co crew her back to Australia whist the RAN crew can get some OJT.




from recce K1

What's the situation with LPA's and Tobruk's crew being occupied until the Bay and LHD's arrive later? Canterbury's core ship crewing is only 53 (excluding flight and army handling crews embarked, and the Bay only 60 according to the Davies PDF etc).


I do apologies if you have taken my remarks as a slight on the RAN and its members that was not my intension.

No need mate, I didn't take it that way at all
AFAIK, Kanimbla and Tobruk's crew are staying put, manning their respective ship's until they are decommissioned. As I already said Manoora's crew are staying put for the moment.

 

[Volkodav]

I remember being on Success when the 2 LST (LPA) were sailed into GI and laughing at their state. We bought them as dud's, they have cost a massive amount throughout their RAN career's, I wonder what the final figure's are, and if we will ever know the exact cost of those bargains ?

I know a Naval Arch who was at GI when they came in and was involved in a survey of them. He told me that the rust was so bad on some of the tanks on one of them (can't remember which) that they were surprised it had made it too Sydney and urgent repairs were required to make it seaworthy enough to make it to Newcastle.

 

[SASWanabe]

did Adelaide's keel actualy get laid? i cant find any mention of it happening anywhere

 

[gf0012-aust]

If GF, AD or Abe could take a look at the above and confirm if the rumours and recollections I have are accurate more or less, I would appreciate it.

-Cheers

pretty well.

RAN have no intention of accrediting the Tigers until quite a few outstandings are resolved. They'll only get on the fatships (if not fixed) for photo-ops until then.

some of the c0ckups have been army engineering, but a fair bit you could argue could be slated to home to questionable claims on the platforms capability in the first place when it was pitched to ADF.

caveat: IMO

 

[icelord]

did Adelaide's keel actualy get laid? i cant find any mention of it happening anywhere

Steels been cut and alike, but no keel as yet

 

[aussienscale]

Follow the bellow link for two excellent videos from ABC news

Navy's biggest ship takes to the water - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

In the first vid the reporter covers the launch and then goes for a wonder around JC1.

In the second he covers the launch in more detail with a couple of interviews.


As to pennant numbers I believe Stores Basher is correct. Whilst it may seem strange that the second ship is 01 and the first is 02 but I think keeping the same number as their predecessor is a nice nod to history.

Both the Navy and DMO websites (and the project office etc) have the numbers listed as 01 Canberra and 02 Adelaide

Great clip, good to see some reasonable reporting on this

For Saswanabe:
As for the Adelaide Keel laying I would assume, but cant find a difinitive date, it would take a couple of days at least to re-set the blocks etc after the Canberra launch ? The first block is ready to go though, you can see it in the foreground of the launch videos waiting to be lifted into place

 

[SASWanabe]

For Saswanabe:
As for the Adelaide Keel laying I would assume, but cant find a difinitive date, it would take a couple of days at least to re-set the blocks etc after the Canberra launch ? The first block is ready to go though, you can see it in the foreground of the launch videos waiting to be lifted into place

i was going from this.

The ceremony was attended by the RAN Chief of Navy Vice-Admiral Russ Crane, Agent-General for Victoria Sally Capp and other Australian and Spanish dignitaries.

Vice-Admiral Crane will also attend the keel laying of the second LHD on 18 February where, in keeping with tradition, he will place a gold coin on the centreline dock block.

which is from

LHD Launch Paves the Way for Amphibious Transformation

which is in turn from BAE, i was expecting to wake up this morning and see a video of adelaides keel going down :rotfl

 

[Sea Toby]

i was going from this.



which is from

LHD Launch Paves the Way for Amphibious Transformation

which is in turn from BAE, i was expecting to wake up this morning and see a video of adelaides keel going down :rotfl

You can see the first block for Adelaide ready at the thirty second point of this video of the Canberra LHD launch:

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rIKtNzvIlc&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube - LHD Launch[/nomedia]

I have not seen any videos of her keel laying yet, but I doubt if its much different than the Canberra's keel laying which is available at YouTube...

I do like this video, much of it is the Juan Carlos I, but its all real, not computer graphics...

 

[Blas de Lezo]

Steels been cut and alike, but no keel as yet

Adelaide´s keel ceremony was yesterday morning, with the presence of the Australian authorities.

http://www.elcorreogallego.es/img/noticias/20110219/cp20f04369811_484528.jpg

Regards.

 

[Blas de Lezo]

There are more pics of Adelaide´s keel on this page, sorry is in Spanish, but Google´s translator could work.

Navantia celebra la puesta de quilla del ALHD Adelaide para la Marina australiana | Infodefensa

Time to worry for Navantia, I would imagine a great proportion of work has now been completed on the blocks and there are no confirmed new contracts at this time, they need to throw something at the pipeline. 2500 workers directly fitting Adelaide and 3000+ more on the blocks and auxiliaries, the latter ones are going to feel the strain by the end of the current year.

 

[Sea Toby]

There are more pics of Adelaide´s keel on this page, sorry is in Spanish, but Google´s translator could work.

Navantia celebra la puesta de quilla del ALHD Adelaide para la Marina australiana | Infodefensa

Time to worry for Navantia, I would imagine a great proportion of work has now been completed on the blocks and there are no confirmed new contracts at this time, they need to throw something at the pipeline. 2500 workers directly fitting Adelaide and 3000+ more on the blocks and auxiliaries, the latter ones are going to feel the strain by the end of the current year.

Thanks for more new links... However, I was under the impression the Spanish navy's BAM ships were next in line to be built to keep the shipyard busy..

 

[Blas de Lezo]

Thanks for more new links... However, I was under the impression the Spanish navy's BAM ships were next in line to be built to keep the shipyard busy..

My pleasure!


The BAMs and the venezuelan OPV´s are being built in Cadiz near ROTA southern Spain Atlantic, The subs in Cartagena Mediterranean. But Ferrol does frigates, destroyers and LPD´s, LHD´s etc.
Ferrol needs something now or within a year......