Re that link, would there be any possibility that China could take advantage of easier access to the Philippines to quietly supply the likes of the New People's Army (or simply other "friendly" criminal and covert elements and groups)? Just asking
No, but I understand that they are very interested in funding a new Maori resistance army to further their world domination aims (The Chinese not the Maori's) and that New Zealand is the key critical component in their master planRe that link, would there be any possibility that China could take advantage of easier access to the Philippines to quietly supply the likes of the New People's Army (or simply other "friendly" criminal and covert elements and groups)? Just asking
im pretty sure he was being serious when you consider Beijing supported the NPA when they first formed...No, but I understand that they are very interested in funding a new Maori resistance army to further their world domination aims (The Chinese not the Maori's) and that New Zealand is the key critical component in their master plan
Why do you think that China is still willing to support insurgents? The Communist are not Communist anymore, and the true believers think that China has betrayed and turned its back upon the great cause. Maybe what China wants is to make Money.
It appears that Maori lineage traces back to Taiwan, so that could raise some interesting possibilities for the future if China (or Taiwan) wish to raise some "historical connections" for a future claim or annexation of NZNo, but I understand that they are very interested in funding a new Maori resistance army to further their world domination aims (The Chinese not the Maori's) and that New Zealand is the key critical component in their master plan
You can never say with certainty where things are going, but Beijing and Manila enjoy very good bilateral relations and of course they are neighbours with a lot of shared concerns and interests.It appears that Maori lineage traces back to Taiwan, so that could raise some interesting possibilities for the future if China (or Taiwan) wish to raise some "historical connections" for a future claim or annexation of NZ
And whilst I was "just asking", I wouldn't expect China to be supporting the NPA but to further position their trade and influence, as they are doing with other nations they previously didn't associate with (such as Timor Leste, Fiji) so what does that really mean for countries (such as the Philippines) with historical ties to the US?
The deal has been revealed - it's for engineering equipment only. NO COMBAT equipment . So it's not a direct threat to US interests, and is a means of China reminding the other players not squarely in Washington's camp that they want to be the dominant regional power.The secretary of national defense is currently in Beijing to finalized the military hardware aquisition project which was described as 'SUBSTANCIAL'...
BBC News - Philippines and China to sign first military deal
It is also a very prudent move as China is an emerging power and lies at the Philippines's doorstep. Improving relations with China makes sense. Whether this deal is just a token effort to make the Chinese happy or will lead to more lucrative contracts in the future remains to be seen. Like other countries have found, China might be the right choice for sourcing certain military equipment at lower prices compared to western sources.
It could be the other way round: China wants to make PH happy by selling equipment at very attractive terms that the US is unwilling to make, despite being a "staunch" supporter.
You are talking about choice. But I believe China may be offering a good bargain, which Russia may not be able/willing to match.
I find it interesting that of the original ASEAN members, China has only managed to make significant inroads with Thailand, starting in the mid-80's, with it arms sales. Even then it was a one off thing as Thailand never placed orders again for Chinese in the quantities or scale it did in the late 80's, early 90's.
That doesn't offer the entire picture. China has really made a lot of inroads in selling weapons to the ASEAN countries in the recent years. The thing you have to consider is that several of the more exportable items are just been made available for export recently. On top of that, a lot of the UAVs, PGMs and such weapons have only been revealed in the past year or so. They are really making their presence known in the past year. What they had done in the 20 years before that isn't a good indication of the kind of presence they will have.
thats right, its just practical for the Philippines who has the weakest armed forces in the region to outsource elswhere like China, when the US only give refurbished and yet expensive logistics to its old ally of 30 years. This is going to the right direction and strategy, the Philippines can also benefit in more trade like exports of agriculture and other products to China with its 2 billion people. Philippines should deal with China in a diplomatic way and not consider it as an adversary. At best be neutral in the region. Brand new logistics especially aircrafts are better than refurbished when the price is almost the same. As the NPAs I think they are no longer getting support from China. Besides if economy in the Philippines stabilizes and more jobs be created the NPAs will naturally dwindle in numbers.china is fast becoming a superpower. the philippines armed forces' plan to acquire military hardware from its asian neighbor is practical. and historically china and the philippines are long time trade partners. and it's about time that the philippines find other ways to enhance its military capability and not just rely on uncle sam. 30 years from now asia would be..................................well we can't tell.
Is the AFP's problem like that of many which the US supports that mindset of "WELL, the americans are our allie and even if they weren't they dont want anyone else taking the Island/s so they will stop anyone from doing it so do we really need to buy modern equipment?"
Agreed, China's arms sales to ASEAN countries has yet to reach its full potential and it's previous record of sales to ASEAN countries provide no clear indication as to how well it will do in the future. And as you mentioned, more and more stuff that was previously not cleared for export or available will now be offered at cheaper prices, better payment terms and less strings attached compared to Western ones. It will be interesting to see if ASEAN countries that have traditionally sourced from Europe, the U.S. and more recently from Russia, will in the near future increasingly turn to China.
