Agree that she would be about perfect as she is; but keeping access to the tent or some similar would increase her versatility. And, we already have a great name - as I said in another place - Jervis Bay III for sure. So, people in the right places in CDG, let's just do it!!
ANYTHING but JB :shudder, may be too soon to re-use Tobruk, but what about something like Kakoda ? Although not technically Navy campaign, but potentially fitting ?
Thank god for that - I thought we were agreeing on too much!!
Of course. I do get the Bay class “Jervis Bay” and surely the RN has more reason to name a HMS Jervis Bay rather than the RAN? Yes it is a big part of the RAN culture but its an Army ship too.Thank god for that - I thought we were agreeing on too much!!
I would have said rather inappropriate.
There aren’t many amphibious actions involving both the Australian Army and RAN that haven’t been used for ship names including. Sphakia (Crete) and Porton Plantation (Bougainville Campaign) come to mind but neither were assaults or major actions. Milne Bay was the defeat of a Japanese amphibious landing and the only significant RAN involvement was HMAS Arunta running away to Moresby before the Japs arrived. There were several more landings conducted by the RAN but with American troops including Aitape, Arawe, Hollandia and Morotai.
The LPA's will last and AR is just a pipe dream.
Thats the thing though, outside of further break up of Indonesia or more adventures in the Middle East, is there really a need for major sealift at this point? I can't see either of those two things happening. Its hard to make the case for urgent replacement of the LPAs, even in the worst case scenario where they can't sail.
A capable sealift ship is a very useful capability, not just for military 'adventures'. Particularly with respect the environmental changes in the region.
There are many strong reasons (far more than mentioned above) for the ADF to be able to deploy and sustain an amphibious task group. But apart from the opinion of any casual observer it is the requirement given to the ADF by the Government to be ready with the amphibious task group. You may not agree with this but if so such an opinion is as relevant in this case as fronting a court of law and insisting that you don’t believe the state has a right to punish you for committing murder after you’ve done such a deed.
Definitely. Maintenance of ADF amphibious capability. ADF command and control capabilities on deployed operations are a significant part of the LPA's role.
Are you being serious? The ADF has no plans to defend Australia lest of all Tasmania from invasion because there is no threat. And even when we were planning to defend the country from invasion in recent years thanks to BS fantasy strategy something like an LHD is the best way to get forces to the isolated north west of Australia. It may look like solid ground on a political scale map but the are no lines of communications ‘cept the seaways.
Don't pretend the Brisbane Line didn't exist. Google it, there are many, many links...
LOL. The Brisbane line was 1942. Not only did it exist it was a good strategy. Would have won us the campaign if the Japanese had decided to invade. But this has got nothing to do with the here and now and what I posted.
I don't know why the RAN doesn't do what the RN does, pick a letter of the Alphabet and name the ships accordingly, the letter 'C' being easy for the new AEW's: Cutlass, Courage, Corsair. Or pick a subject. Greek mythology for example: Achilles, Ajax, Zeus, Agamemnon, Poseidon etc.
Yes agreed thats why I used the word interim. It goes without saying that acquiring Ark would only be an option if the LPAs were unable to return to sea. It will come down to risk assessments by people more qualified than you or I. That said a Naval Arch I work with, who has intimate knowledge of the LPAs, expressed the opinion before the latest issues that he was surprised they have lasted as long as they have.
Just an idea, how about Gallipoli. It was an amphibious landing that involved both the RAN and the Army as well as being the start of the ANZAC legend.The brisbane line worked during the battle of Brissie, Damn Yanks invading our city and stealing our women!
Id rather we didnt use the Name Jervis Bay, anyone in the eastern fleet(especially hunters) will tell you there loathe for the place, its a mandatory port for all ships no matter what, odd sailing to brissie from Sydney Via JB...it happens.
Id rather stick to a 'bay' name with a UK 'bay' class, would make sense. Theres always Harvey bay.
Umm, my question in regard to attacking Tasmania...when have we been at war with the penquins cause all that would invade via the south...