Should I join the Australian Army, British Army or the French Foreign Legion?

riksavage

Banned Member
Some countries have added anti-mercenary clauses to their existing laws. South Africa is a prime example driven by the fact that many of its former professional soldiers ended up fighting for the likes of Executive Outcome across Africa. I understand this does not apply to SA citizens joining the UK military because the units in question are bound by the Geneva Convention and are not classed as 'private' armies, but form part of the recognised state military.

I remember reading somewhere that Aus had a policy that if its citizens fought as mercenaries (FFL is recognised part of the French armed forces, so doesn't count) they would remove the individuals citizenship and render them stateless?

In WWII some FFL units fought for Vichy France (notably in North Africa), whilst others fought for the Free French. Those that fought for Vichy and were captured were treated as prisoners of war, not lynched/shot for treason.

If by some strange turn of fate Aus fought against the FFL, any serving Australian citizens would be classed as PoW's if captured I suspect.
 

icelord

The Bunker Group
Verified Defense Pro
Some countries have added anti-mercenary clauses to their existing laws. South Africa is a prime example driven by the fact that many of its former professional soldiers ended up fighting for the likes of Executive Outcome across Africa. I understand this does not apply to SA citizens joining the UK military because the units in question are bound by the Geneva Convention and are not classed as 'private' armies, but form part of the recognised state military.

I remember reading somewhere that Aus had a policy that if its citizens fought as mercenaries (FFL is recognised part of the French armed forces, so doesn't count) they would remove the individuals citizenship and render them stateless?

In WWII some FFL units fought for Vichy France (notably in North Africa), whilst others fought for the Free French. Those that fought for Vichy and were captured were treated as prisoners of war, not lynched/shot for treason.

If by some strange turn of fate Aus fought against the FFL, any serving Australian citizens would be classed as PoW's if captured I suspect.
Wow, a talk on options for a career delves into war with the french Foreign legion...so while this war with France goes on, what do they do with the joint UK/French carrier...:duel

Trouble is, no matter what your choice, get 1 shit posting and it ruins your mindset towards that force for good. You will regret your choice, kick yourself for all the effort. On the flip side, get a good posting and you'll only complain about Ration packs and hiking another 5 clicks for a 20min kip:sleepy3
 

Abraham Gubler

Defense Professional
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I remember reading somewhere that Aus had a policy that if its citizens fought as mercenaries (FFL is recognised part of the French armed forces, so doesn't count) they would remove the individuals citizenship and render them stateless?
The Nationality and Citizens Act 1948 has a section that deprives you of citizenship if you serve in the forces of a country AT WAR with Australia. Since Australia has never decalred an enemy since 1948 its never being implemented. Australia does have an anti mercenary law: Crimes (Foreign Incursions and Recruitment) Act 1978 or words to that effect. Basically passed to try and counter Australians joining the Rhodesian Army and stateless mercenary groups. However it only makes it a crime to join a mercenary group preparing for and carrying out an incursion into another country and trying to recruit in Australia for a mercenary force. It doesn’t apply to service in a properly constituted military force of a state, like the French Foreign Legion.
 

brooks88

New Member
Regarding the legion?

Hello Mate,

I've served in both the Foreign Legion (joined at 18 for five years) and the British Army (through the ranks to LE Officer) and I'm now a private contractor in Afghanistan.

Contrary to your first reply, the Legion is actively engaged in Afghanistan and has been for years. Legion Regiments form one of the two GTIAs (Battle Groups) the French have deployed in Kapisa Province and they are seeing combat - just that the Anglo-Saxon press does not report much about the French.

The Legion also undertake Peace Enforcement duties on a regular basis in Africa, which means lots of nasty little engagements the rest of the world doesn't hear about. Then when an intervention Operation arises, Legion units are the instruments of choice for the French Govt. Recent Ops include Ivory Coast, Central African Republic, Chad, Congo.

if you want to do something different, learn another language; learn how to cope with and lead men (no women in the Legion apart from a few attached French Army admin NCOs) of different nationalities, colours, creeds, classes and cultures (racists are not welcome) and become psychologically hardened then join the Legion first. Mind you - you might not get in. It's only 8,000 strong and the standards are high.

Legion units are not only based in France, but in South America - Guyane Francaise, Africa - Djibouti and the Indian Ocean - Mayotte. It wasn't too long ago that there was also a regiment stationed in French Polynesia. They train and deploy all over the world.

The first year is hard and you get your will-power tested to the nth degree - lots of bullshit until you prove that you got what it takes. Harder mentally than physically - the physical you build up.

In the Legion you have Infantry, Cavalry (Light Armour), Engineers and Paras. You will do Desert, Jungle, Mountain and Amphibious training. You have the opportunity to specialise not only in all the above fields and on the various weapon systems, but also as a Medic, Signaller, Clerk, Cook, Pioneer, Musician and many more. But first and foremost every Legionnaire is an infantryman who is prepared to assault the enemy and carry out his mission to the end. To do a "Camerone".

At selection you are tested for your ability and suitability. You may be selected for accelerated promotion and if you excel in your training and duties, you may make "Caporal" within two years and "Sergent" within five. A foreigner can even aspire to an Officer's Commission, but you have to climb the ranks and excel at every opportunity. The competition is fierce, but those officers are highly respected in the Legion. The Legion is what you make of it. The pay is not bad either (after the first year) and you're not taxed until you get your civilian status back (normally after five years). As you live on camp, your money tends to get mostly spent on booze, cigarettes and women. You can put a good bit away if you are that way inclined, but most good lads concentrate on having a good time. Forget about leave in your first year (especially if you're on Corsica with the Paras) but after that if you don't get at least a month off every year, then there's something wrong.

If after five years (the minimum contract) you decide to return and join your own or the British Army, then you will have a sound and exceptional grounding on which to base your future career.

Finally, the Legion looks after its own and honours its side of the contract if anything happens to you. The camaraderie remains forever, whether you just did five years or thirty-five.

I wish you well.

Legio Patria Nostra & More Majorum

Mitch

Hello sir,

I'm currently a private security contractor in Iraq, I also worked in Afghanistan in Kandahar performing security work. I never served in the military, I was not allowed to join the US military because of my mild asthma. I was wondering, does the legion accept those with asthma if I pass there selection tests? Do you by chance recall seeing any rercuits with asthma in the legion?

If I decide to go then I will regardless if they do or not accept me, I'm prepard for the outcome whatever it maybe. However, I must at least try. Your help and advice would be greatly appreciated.

Wish you luck as well in your travels.
 
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Aussie Digger

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Hello sir,

I'm currently a private security contractor in Iraq, I also worked in Afghanistan in Kandahar performing security work. I never served in the military, I was not allowed to join the US military because of my mild asthma. I was wondering, does the legion accept those with asthma if I pass there selection tests? Do you by chance recall seeing any rercuits with asthma in the legion?

If I decide to go then I will regardless if they do or not accept me, I'm prepard for the outcome whatever it maybe. However, I must at least try. Your help and advice would be greatly appreciated.

Wish you luck as well in your travels.
Just don't tell them. It's honesty with asthma that catches people out, not the disease itself. If you are fit and have a good lung capacity there's no way they can find out, other than you being such a severe asthmatic that attacks occur.

I've been a mild asthmatic all my life. Never put it down on any application I ever filled out and consequently it has never affected me career-wise and I've served in the Australian Army and Queensland Police, neither of which allow asthmatics, officially.

16 years later and I'm still to come across a situation where my asthma has prevented me doing my job. It hasn't bothered me work wise and what they don't know never hurt me...
 

brooks88

New Member
Just don't tell them. It's honesty with asthma that catches people out, not the disease itself. If you are fit and have a good lung capacity there's no way they can find out, other than you being such a severe asthmatic that attacks occur.

I've been a mild asthmatic all my life. Never put it down on any application I ever filled out and consequently it has never affected me career-wise and I've served in the Australian Army and Queensland Police, neither of which allow asthmatics, officially.

16 years later and I'm still to come across a situation where my asthma has prevented me doing my job. It hasn't bothered me work wise and what they don't know never hurt me...
I am more then likely will not tell my rercuiters in the armed forces that I have asthma because for some reason or another, being in both Iraq and Afghanistan as a armed guard on an army base and performing other work I can eliaberate on has not affected me at all while I've been overseas for the last 8 months. However, when I was home for R&R my asthma kicked in and I realised that where I lived my whole life is what has caused me asthma which was a bommer. But, none the less I would like to be honest and I've looked at foreign militaries that allow asthma but they require citizenships. I am deciding between the Irish Defence Forces and the French Foreign Legion on who to join. I am also waiting on word for the German gov to allow foreigners into the Bundeswehr. Supposedly they'll start July 2011. However, in the meantime, I want to join something will be challenging and will allow me to be more active in the world. I also have a desire to learn another language. I was considering the ADF, but no prior military service so not gonna happen.

I still do have some asthma, but if there at all allowing those with asthma to try out then why not try out and see what happens. Although I would like to know if they ever recruited those with asthma into the FFL.
 

Kirkzzy

New Member
I am deciding between the Irish Defence Forces
Just curious, but why Irish Defence Forces? I myself have a great number of family from Ireland and we celebrate Irish holidays :drunk1 and such but can't ever see myself joining the IDF. (thats even if I ever consider joining a military.. which is extremely unlikely)

I was considering the ADF, but no prior military service so not gonna happen.
And while were on the topic.. has Aus ever considered raising a foreign regiment? Or if not, what would be the chances?
 

riksavage

Banned Member
Just curious, but why Irish Defence Forces? I myself have a great number of family from Ireland and we celebrate Irish holidays :drunk1 and such but can't ever see myself joining the IDF. (thats even if I ever consider joining a military.. which is extremely unlikely)

The Irish Defence Force is very difficult to get into because of its small size and high number of applicants, made worse by ongoing economic factors. Many Southern Irish who ended up in the British Army first applied to the IDF, but were told the recruitment quota was already filled for that year. UN peacekeeping tours are popular with the troops, plus they receive an overseas allowance.
 

old faithful

The Bunker Group
Verified Defense Pro
Join either ths ADF or British army, my advice would be forget the legion. Read "marching with the devil" by David Mason, it confirms what I ve been told by 2 ex legionaire who both ended up in the Australian Army.
 

Bonza

Super Moderator
Staff member
Check these Australian activities what the did recently
Australia has withdrawn a map of India, posted on its immigration department website which omitted the border States of Jammu and Kashmir and Arunachal Pradesh, following strong protests from the Indian community in the country.
What does that have to do with this thread?
 

SASWanabe

Member
What does that have to do with this thread?
not much i think, does say alot about the Indian feelings to our neutrality tho, the reason those states were omitted is because China has laid claim to parts of them and the Australian Government is Neutral on the matter. therefore the states dont show up on maps as posessions of India or China.
 
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