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Test center fuses old, new technology for light attack

Air Force News — By Air Force News Agency on October 15, 2010 at 5:28 am


DAVIS-MONTHAN AIR FORCE BASE: Test pilots and engineers here are learning what happens when high-tech systems are combined with low-tech airframes for a new, cost effective, light-attack aircraft.

Light attack, a revitalized concept in the Air Force, addresses the need for an airplane that offers surveillance as well as strike capabilities and walks the line between remotely piloted aircraft and high-performance fighters.

In appearance, Hawker Beechcraft AT-6Cs resemble the fighters of yesteryear with single engine propellers and shark-face nose art. They are, in actuality, one possible candidate for Air Force light attack aircraft and the latest project for Air National Guard Air Force Reserve Command Test Center officials based at Tucson International Airport.

Lt. Col. Keith Colmer, a developmental test pilot and director of engineering for AATC, deployed to Iraq in early 2008, where he flew numerous close air support missions in F-16 Fighting Falcons.

During more than 100 combat hours, he served as an eye in the sky for Army elements but he said he rarely engaged the enemy on their behalf.

"Right now we are paying a high cost to fly an F-16 in terms of fuel and wear and tear for missions that don't require the full capabilities of the airplane," said Colonel Colmer, who leads AATC's light-attack program. "With fourth generation fighters nearing the end of their service life, a light-attack platform could take on these kinds of missions and lighten the load."

The test center, which conducts operational tests on behalf of the Reserve, is manned by a team of active-duty, Guard, Reserve, civilian and contractor members who field low-cost, low-risk, off-the-shelf improvements for aircraft and weapons systems.

Officials said the center's unique efficiency is perfect for building and evaluating a light-attack aircraft.

"In keeping with our '80 percent of the capability for 20 percent of the cost' motto, we took existing technology from the A-10 (Thunderbolt II) and F-16 and inserted it in the AT-6," Colonel Colmer said.

Mounted next to the AT-6's manual flight controls, levers, cables and pulleys are mission computers, situational awareness data links, radios, helmet-mounted cueing systems, hands-on stick and throttles, threat countermeasures and armament pylons typically found on current fighter and attack aircraft.

"We learned a lot from initial testing earlier this year and made several adjustments," Colonel Colmer said. "The testing this month is about bringing in testers from around the Air Force; A-10 and F-16 pilots from Edwards (Air Force Base, Calif.), Nellis (AFB, Nev.), and Eglin (AFB, Fla.)"

"Overall, pilots are coming back after flying it excited about light attack," Colonel Colmer said. "They're enjoying the sorties and the aircraft's capabilities. Almost everyone has a list of things they would like to change, but that's what we expected. Now we'll take their input and make it a better aircraft."

Maj. Jesse Smith, an A-10 pilot from the 422nd Test and Evaluation Squadron at Nellis AFB, flew the modified AT-6 during a simulated combat search and rescue sortie Oct. 7.

"It's easy to handle," Major Smith said. "They took some of the systems and avionics from the A-10, so that made it easier for me to step in. Based on the scenario we had today, we were able to go out and execute."

"It's not the answer for everything, but if you look at what's going on in Iraq and Afghanistan, it's a good concept that can save money."

To buy and operate a light-attack aircraft costs pennies on the dollar compared to an A-10 or F-16.

For the A-10 or F-16, the cost per flying hour is around 15,000 to 17,000 dollars for fuel and maintenance.

Test center officials say the AT-6 is currently running at about 600 dollars per hour.

Though light attack is not viewed as a replacement for jets, Airmen here are finding out that the two-seat turboprop can fill a number of roles.

Pilots are examining the AT-6 as a companion trainer to give them a firsthand look at close air support from the air.

Combat controllers and tactical air control party members are also evaluating the aircraft as a possible trainer.

"Right now in the (joint terminal attack control) community, there are not enough sorties to keep them trained," Colonel Colmer said. "One thought is that this type of aircraft could be based with their units so they could get more practice with controlling an aircraft that adequately replicates an A-10 or F-16. They could even fly more often to gain a sense of a pilot's perspective."

In domestic operations it could support border security, counter drug and homeland defense.

For state missions, during fires, floods or other disasters, it could use sensors to map out an area for responders.

Additionally, officials believe a light-attack platform can help build partner nation air forces that lack the funding and the need for jet-powered aircraft.

"It's exciting to be a proponent for light attack in this early stage when the possibilities seem endless and we can demonstrate what one of these airplanes could do," said Colonel Colmer, who emphasized that light attack is not yet a procurement program.

Usually, testing occurs after an aircraft is purchased. In this case, Colonel Colmer and his team have a unique opportunity to help develop and refine a set of technologies and weapons for a light-attack airplane and give decision makers a clear picture before they buy a platform.

"For the last 18 months, we've been working on requirements and technologies to integrate on the aircraft," Colonel Colmer said. "Future iterations of tests will integrate Hellfire missiles, Aim 9 Sidewinders and various other weapons."


CAS has historically been a mission wrapped in some controversy, whether the debate lies with inter-service competition or with the evolution of platforms in a direction that makes them less effective in closely supporting ground operations. Slow speed, a tight turn radius, high loiter time, and a gun seem to be some major attributes of a good CAS machine. This in mind, provided they're over battlefields that have a low SAM and MANPAD threat, I fully support the idea of propeller planes for CAS.

Some things to ponder...Should the USAF (or any other modern AF) devote time and resources into refitting propeller platforms for CAS? Is the A-10 the sole answer for CAS? Does a prop plane's slow speed in reaching a battlefield hinder it's capabilities in CAS?
 

Cailet

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Aircraft such as the Tucano are already/still used for CAS (trainer aircraft as cheap CAS goes back to at least the Mau-Mau insurrection), it makes sense if you want a cheap aircraft that can sling some rockets and guns under the wings. With more aircraft you can disperse them more widely close to the battlezone and run them off cheap and easy dirt strips making it very easy to move your aircraft alongside your ground troops. It makes considerable sense in a 'bush war' where an A-10 or a fast jet is overkill with a logistics tail out of all proportion to the enemy you're engaging.

Of course the US (and most other advanced militaries) are moving towards using UCAVs in that role, future CAS solutions are more likely to use equivalents to the Predator/Reaper with their controllers integrated with the ground forces than trainer aircraft with a human being aboard neatly combining the performance/price/requirement ratio with the higher levels of technology available today.

I suspect the soldiers on the ground might prefer it that way as well, less chance of a 'blue on blue' when you see your own face in the targeting reticule.

Your Sergeant Major on the other hand... ;)
 

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Of course the US (and most other advanced militaries) are moving towards using UCAVs in that role, future CAS solutions are more likely to use equivalents to the Predator/Reaper with their controllers integrated with the ground forces than trainer aircraft with a human being aboard neatly combining the performance/price/requirement ratio with the higher levels of technology available today.
There are between 24 and 60 manned propeller driven aircraft currently used by US Govt agencies for CAS.

It varies beyween 24 and 60 becuase some agencies don't like to acknowledge that they have a fixed wing manned solution playing around in the Southern hemisphere.

The USN also has at least one Tucano in service.
 
I could very well be wrong....

I thought on of the reasons touted for not replcing the A-10 in the first place with A-16 was the lower running costs and the ease of re-manufacture of and delivery of spares. From that I thought the had a lot lower cost of ownership all round. Or do they but just not that much lower than the F-16's and not as low as the AT-6 etc?
Would have thought that on the balance of capabilities A-10 would be better value (but I am biased, and a little resin influenced after a day at work) but thats the danger of assumption I guess.
What would the transit times for a loaded AT-6 be I wonder? I see the cruise speed is a respectable 220 knots or say 70 ish metres a second. A-10 is something like 150 ish metres a second. So from call out to arrival over the target could be a big difference but then you could poosibly afford to have the AT-6's up near constantly to provided the same or better coverage?
Interested to see what the experts here think of its prospects.
 

gf0012-aust

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I thought on of the reasons touted for not replcing the A-10 in the first place with A-16 was the lower running costs and the ease of re-manufacture of and delivery of spares. From that I thought the had a lot lower cost of ownership all round. Or do they but just not that much lower than the F-16's and not as low as the AT-6 etc?
Would have thought that on the balance of capabilities A-10 would be better value (but I am biased, and a little resin influenced after a day at work) but thats the danger of assumption I guess.
What would the transit times for a loaded AT-6 be I wonder? I see the cruise speed is a respectable 220 knots or say 70 ish metres a second. A-10 is something like 150 ish metres a second. So from call out to arrival over the target could be a big difference but then you could poosibly afford to have the AT-6's up near constantly to provided the same or better coverage?
Interested to see what the experts here think of its prospects.
The issue is not so much about transit times.

its about the ability to work out of minimally prepared forward locations
its about the local conops - eg at the present time some US agencies have switched from using paired props to using a rotor and a prop in concert. the reason being that the rotor provides stable positional FAC while the prop does the shooting.
its about re-arm times
its about maintenance embuggerances in that forward/remote loc
its about range
its about effective time on station
its about throw weight
its about training costs
it about availability rates

speed is one of the least important considerations
 

weasel1962

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Would a pilot operate an aircraft which is less safe or less protected in an effort to save money on behalf of the Government? To most pilots, it would be perceived as a step backwards.

A prop has a flight profile that will make it an easier target for anti-aircraft defenses compared to helos. Even the A-10 has its critics.

It could make economic sense if thats an unmanned aircraft. Simply crossing the hurdle of putting lives at risk to save money would render this proposal a no-go.

On the other hand, if one pitches this as an atk helo replacement eg attack tiltrotor aircraft, it could make for an interesting discussion.
 

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To most pilots, it would be perceived as a step backwards.

A prop has a flight profile that will make it an easier target for anti-aircraft defenses compared to helos. Even the A-10 has its critics.
except that this is not the case.

one of the DEA AT6's came back with over 260 rounds through it - it was flyable and the pilot fine.

pilots want capability first - and the rotor piston combo is a proven success story - hence why so many US agencies use them.
 

Corsair96

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It makes sense if your fighting guerilla conflicts and small engagement wars but I seriously wonder how they would be able to take the strain in major conflict where to equal enemies go head to head with modern jet aircraft. I know that the Brazilians use the Tucano to operate around the vast expanses of the amazonian jungle but how would it take the strain of fast fighting? of ground units with accurate and new SAMs and even shoulder mounted SAMs?
Its all up in the air.
 

Abraham Gubler

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A prop has a flight profile that will make it an easier target for anti-aircraft defenses compared to helos.
LOL. Tell that to all the USAF FAC pilots of O-2A Skymasters in VietNam. Store brought GA plane used in the hundreds for years, including up north, in the face of the heaviest air defences in the planet and only 14 combat losses 67-72 (incl 7 over North VietNam).

But back in the here and now a typical military turboprop is going to cruise at 220-280 knots (Texan II-King Air). A typical military helicopter at 110-140 knots (Kiowa-Apache). All other elements of the flight profile will be equal because they are doing the same job. Hiding behind trees is something for linear tank battles not counter insurgency. Turning circle and rate of climb will depend more on the type of aircraft but a trainer derived plane like the Texan has a very tight turning circle at low ~200 knot speeds and a helicopter does not turn as tightly from cruise speed >100 knots as it does in a flight demonstration from a low forward speed. Add in a base altitude of >5,000 feet for Afghanistan and the difference is far more significant against the helicopter.

There are a range of distinct advantages for propeller aircraft in finding targets on the complex battlefield. A big powerful jet like the A-10 is going to be better at hauling weapons and a strike fighter at responsively hauling weapons. But to go out their and loiter day in, night out and be able to stay low to peak under trees and the like you can’t beat a wing and a propeller.

The ideal plane for this mission would be the ideal VietNam FAC the Cessna O-2TT (Model 348) that was killed off because USAF had invested so much in ruining the LARA project so needed a ROI via the OV-10. O-2TT offered five plus hours endurance, 3,600 lbs of load: fuel, armour, sensors, weapons and crew, high wing and tandem high visibility cockpit, 2,800 feet per minute climb rate, “turn on a penny” and best of all: propellers spinning at under 1,000 rpm so dead quiet. You couldn't see it coming, you couldn't hear it coming and it was so low and turning so fast you couldn't hit it with any insurgent weapon.
 
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Abraham Gubler

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It makes sense if your fighting guerilla conflicts and small engagement wars but I seriously wonder how they would be able to take the strain in major conflict where to equal enemies go head to head with modern jet aircraft. I know that the Brazilians use the Tucano to operate around the vast expanses of the amazonian jungle but how would it take the strain of fast fighting? of ground units with accurate and new SAMs and even shoulder mounted SAMs?
Its all up in the air.
Yeah that’s right but so too for an A-10. But I wouldn’t put too much credence in all of the SAMs out there. Active homers can always be seduced. But automatic target tracking guns or off board guided SAMs would knock down slow planes and helos at anything higher than flying the deck. In the last weeks before the end of the bombing campaign in North VietNam (’68) they introduced mass numbers of ZSU-23-4 Shilka guns but the O-2As could still get below them but flying higher than 500 feet was instant death.

In a high threat environment you need a fast jet for low CAS which is part of the reason why USAF wanted the A-16 in the 1980s. Also the nature of anti tank weapons available had changed a lot since the A-10 was designed in the late 1960s so you could fly fast and still achieve kills (guided weapons like Maverick and cluster bombs). Also a fast CAS like the A-16 can swing role to battlefield air interdiction (BAI) and start taking out enemy follow on echelons or lines of communications when needed.

But CAS in the 21st century is different because SEAD/DEAD has been transformed by LO and EA. The F-35 will be the world’s best ever CAS aircraft in high and low intensity conflicts thanks to its survivability in the face of anti air threats and its excellent sensors.
 

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It makes sense if your fighting guerilla conflicts and small engagement wars but I seriously wonder how they would be able to take the strain in major conflict where to equal enemies go head to head with modern jet aircraft. I know that the Brazilians use the Tucano to operate around the vast expanses of the amazonian jungle but how would it take the strain of fast fighting? of ground units with accurate and new SAMs and even shoulder mounted SAMs?
Its all up in the air.

no its not, these planes have been shot at by SAMs and hand held GBAD, they have come back with significant bits missing.

the DEA asset that came back looking like a collander was obviously doing its job low.

these people also don't do missions without decent intelligence, they are tasked to do a mission and they are doing it well.

I'm not sure how you can question their effectiveness when the actuial employment and tactical history says otherwise.

Props are suitable for various missions, you don't always need jets.

again, this is about approp utility. CAS has also been done including B1's Teens and rotors, PGMS means that its easier to get weapons on target than before - even to danger close levels (even though thats not a desirable choice)
 

weasel1962

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LOL. Tell that to all the USAF FAC pilots of O-2A Skymasters in VietNam. Store brought GA plane used in the hundreds for years, including up north, in the face of the heaviest air defences in the planet and only 14 combat losses 67-72 (incl 7 over North VietNam).
I'm not sure where your source is but I've got several sources stating much more than that attributable to combat losses. Those rate of loss may have been acceptable in Vietnam but certainly isn't acceptable today.

One factoid, its replacement the OV-10 wasn't even deployed to desert storm in 91 cos it was simply too dangerous.

Manpads are a much more significant threat today than in the 70s.

Ironically, you would have had a much better case citing the AC-130 which is also a prop. Nevertheless, its defences are far more heavier than what an AT-6 can be equipped with.

But back in the here and now a typical military turboprop is going to cruise at 220-280 knots (Texan II-King Air). A typical military helicopter at 110-140 knots (Kiowa-Apache). All other elements of the flight profile will be equal because they are doing the same job. Hiding behind trees is something for linear tank battles not counter insurgency. Turning circle and rate of climb will depend more on the type of aircraft but a trainer derived plane like the Texan has a very tight turning circle at low ~200 knot speeds and a helicopter does not turn as tightly from cruise speed >100 knots as it does in a flight demonstration from a low forward speed. Add in a base altitude of >5,000 feet for Afghanistan and the difference is far more significant against the helicopter.
Altogether different circumstance in Afghanistan. No dense jungle to hide helos. Was it surprising the Stingers were that effective during the counter-soviet insurgency?

The Afghans were bringing down helos (even armoured hinds) with 12.7s. Their tactics used leveraged on terrain.

No helos deploy to Afghanistan today without an upgrade of anti-manpad defense. Again how that can equip a texan in the CAS role is a different story. Ám not aware of any tailored anti-manpad solutions for the texan.

There are a range of distinct advantages for propeller aircraft in finding targets on the complex battlefield. A big powerful jet like the A-10 is going to be better at hauling weapons and a strike fighter at responsively hauling weapons. But to go out their and loiter day in, night out and be able to stay low to peak under trees and the like you can’t beat a wing and a propeller.
With due respect, not with increasingly long ranged and effective aircraft pods, UAV pods with foliage penetrating radars and far more endurance than any prop plane.

The ideal plane for this mission would be the ideal VietNam FAC the Cessna O-2TT (Model 348) that was killed off because USAF had invested so much in ruining the LARA project so needed a ROI via the OV-10. O-2TT offered five plus hours endurance, 3,600 lbs of load: fuel, armour, sensors, weapons and crew, high wing and tandem high visibility cockpit, 2,800 feet per minute climb rate, “turn on a penny” and best of all: propellers spinning at under 1,000 rpm so dead quiet. You couldn't see it coming, you couldn't hear it coming and it was so low and turning so fast you couldn't hit it with any insurgent weapon.
And the actual choice of the USAF at least is the UAV or an aircraft pod which doesn't risk a pilot.
 

Abraham Gubler

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I'm not sure where your source is but I've got several sources stating much more than that attributable to combat losses. Those rate of loss may have been acceptable in Vietnam but certainly isn't acceptable today.
USAF wrote off a hundred and fifty so O-2As in VietNam but only 14 combat losses (SURVIAC: the ultimate soruce). The write offs included combat damage (a minority) but they all got home. For the mission rate the losses are very, very low. Lower than 0.01%.

One factoid, its replacement the OV-10 wasn't even deployed to desert storm in 91 cos it was simply too dangerous.
Then the Iraqis must have used a very long range weapon to shoot down the two OV-10s lost to enemy fire in ODS… The OV-10 performed very well in ODS despite having to fly high and open. The two losses were bookends to the conflict and both from IR missiles.

Manpads are a much more significant threat today than in the 70s.
Actually they’re not. Our countermeasures against VSHORADS are far better than the growth in missile capability.

UAVs are a very important target acquisition and ISR capability but they can’t provide the same kind of capability as a manned FAC or ISR aircraft. In particular they can’t talk to the JTAC to coordinate air-ground efforts while doing their thing. UAVs do not belong in the centre of air efforts to support in contact ground forces (aka Close Air Support).
 

Corsair96

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I did not mean to offend you gf002, I was merely asking what its capabilities could be? I agree that not all jets are useful but I was asking, how would a prop plane do in a jet enviornment? You cannot describe Vietnam as being a regular warfare conflict and the NV airforce did not have that much of an inpact in the south, espiaclly when most if its jets where shot down in the first few years of the war. The plane would have to have armor comparable to the A-10 II if it wanted to resist the small arms fire being shot at it.
 

Todjaeger

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I did not mean to offend you gf002, I was merely asking what its capabilities could be? I agree that not all jets are useful but I was asking, how would a prop plane do in a jet enviornment? You cannot describe Vietnam as being a regular warfare conflict and the NV airforce did not have that much of an inpact in the south, espiaclly when most if its jets where shot down in the first few years of the war. The plane would have to have armor comparable to the A-10 II if it wanted to resist the small arms fire being shot at it.
As a general rule, a prop and a jet are not going to be operating in the same environment. Keep in mind though, this particular thread is about prop uses for CAS. Close Air Support missions are a fair bit different from strike/bombing missions.

In a strike or bombing mission, depending on threats faced, distance to target, etc, then a high ingress/egress capability can be quite useful, as is a potential ability to engage airborne targets, and of course signature management. Close air support is done to provide blue forces air support if/when needed. To that end, speed is a bit less important, since a prop will still be faster than friendly ground forces. What is more important are the abilities to operate close to, and closely with ground-based units, have a high loiter time to ensure as much availability when needed, and also have the ability to distinguish between red and blue forces.

Now, if some nation were to choose to send props up against gets... That would typically be a move born of desparation, rather than a planned for engagement. However, I have heard that in the early 1980's, the US had done some contingency planning to fit AIM-9 Sidewinders to cropdusters in the Pacific Northwest, in the event of a Soviet attack on Alaska, western Canada and the Pacific Northwest.

Now, in terms of CAS, I think my personal favourvite prop plane would be the A-1 Skyraider. While I do not recall, and would need to spend some time determining the loiter time, IIRC the Skyraider could carry ~20,000 lbs of ordnance. Now if the Skyraider was updated, to allow carriage and deployment of PGMs as well as improved sensors and joint comms, then something even better than a Texan would likely result. A possible side benefit could be training usage for bombing runs, etc since prop operating costs are lower than jets.

-Cheers
 

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I did not mean to offend you gf002, I was merely asking what its capabilities could be? I agree that not all jets are useful but I was asking, how would a prop plane do in a jet enviornment? You cannot describe Vietnam as being a regular warfare conflict and the NV airforce did not have that much of an inpact in the south, espiaclly when most if its jets where shot down in the first few years of the war. The plane would have to have armor comparable to the A-10 II if it wanted to resist the small arms fire being shot at it.
You haven't offended me. I am however trying to reinforce that the real world data for props and esp with rotor acting as FACs is a tried and tested CAS combination. again, its about utility and relevance - and thus context. you use whats relevant.

In vietnam the USAF and US Army still ran packages and co-ordinated those packages for the mission. ie the air bubble was sanitised and/or managed before the smalls went in, or they already knew what the air bubble at that location would be like.

as far as armour on these aircraft is concerned, some of the airtrucks currently in service are just as armoured or uparmoured as the A10's. They are taking an absolute pounding but are surviving., Some of the AT's have titanium and kevlar tub laminate combinations - the same as if not better than the A-10's
 
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weasel1962

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USAF wrote off a hundred and fifty so O-2As in VietNam but only 14 combat losses (SURVIAC: the ultimate soruce). The write offs included combat damage (a minority) but they all got home. For the mission rate the losses are very, very low. Lower than 0.01%.
Thanks for the source. Will take a look when I get a chance.

Then the Iraqis must have used a very long range weapon to shoot down the two OV-10s lost to enemy fire in ODS… The OV-10 performed very well in ODS despite having to fly high and open. The two losses were bookends to the conflict and both from IR missiles.
Was actually referring to the air force. The marines were crazy enough to bring them and could not have brought that many. If one considers the loss rate, it should have been significant.

I wonder to what extent desert storm played in their retirement in 95.

Actually they’re not. Our countermeasures against VSHORADS are far better than the growth in missile capability.
Existing IRCMs are indeed formidable. I see it like armor vs atgm. Its formidable until the next target gets downed.

They don't come cheap either esp with the newer ones. The cost-effectiveness in low cost platforms is doubtful. Having said that the OV-10s did come with disco lights.

UAVs are a very important target acquisition and ISR capability but they can’t provide the same kind of capability as a manned FAC or ISR aircraft. In particular they can’t talk to the JTAC to coordinate air-ground efforts while doing their thing. UAVs do not belong in the centre of air efforts to support in contact ground forces (aka Close Air Support).
Agree there is a capability gap. However equipment like ROVER reduces the difference in situation awareness for both JTAC and pilots (incl UAV pilots).

The trend towards unmanned platforms is real. Even as UAV needs pilots, there's a difference between a pilot that sits in a safe rooms miles away and a pilot in the cockpit.
 

Ananda

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Bring OV-10 back to life. TNI-AU have many limitations but they have their shares on Insurgencies and Air Support to Counter Insurgencies. OV-10 proved most valueble on the purpose The Philipines also show the OV-10 still a remarkable plane for that purpose.

You need CAS against kind of Afghanistan/Iraqi insurgencies, then OV-10 still your thing. With better engine, stronger fuselage, beter avionics, GPS, and other new toys, AT-6, Super Tucano, well just move away for the KING of COIN.
 

Kilo 2-3

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It seems to me like the major issue here is survivability. Advanced MANPADS are becoming more and more prevalent in the arsenals of militaries, insurgencies, and a variety of other non-state actors. Based on what has been discussed here, small arms and (maybe) light AAA seem to be less pressing threats.

So, how can prop-drive CAS and COIN a/c best respond to the MANPADS threat? Is it flare pods, improved tactics/SOPs, IR reduction measures, or some combination of the above?
 
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