Royal Australian Air Force [RAAF] News, Discussions and Updates

hairyman

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Australia is wiring 12 of its new Super Hornets to receive Electronic Surveillance and Attack systems, if and when such capability will be required. Photo: Boeing
Boeing is pre-wiring 12 of the Royal Australian Air Force’s (RAAF) Super Hornet for potential conversion of the aircraft for Electronic Attack role. At present the Australians have not decided whether to equip the aircraft with such capabilities. According to RAAF Group Capt. Steve Roberton, Officer Commanding 82 Wing currently operating these fighters, the ability to introduce an electronic attack capability on part of the Australian Super Hornets provides maximum flexibility for future missions. “Ultimately, if a decision to incorporate an electronic attack option is pursued, it will further expand the broad capability of an already formidable Super Hornet weapon system.” Robertson said.
Pre-wiring prepares the infrastructure on aircraft to feed RF signals, power, and cool the unique payloads associated with electronic surveillance and attack. Pre-wiring will enable a standard Super-Hornet Block II to carry Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) payloads (ALQ-218 radar band and ALQ-227 communications scanners) as well as the ALQ-99 Electronic Attack jammer. Both are currently employed with the U.S. Navy’s F-18G Growler. Australia is the first Super Hornet customer to follow the ‘pre wiring’ track. Boeing completed the production of the first batch of 12 Australian F/A-18E/Fs and is on schedule to deliver the last of the 24h Super Hornets in 2011. According to Boeing’s Australian Super Hornet program manager, Carolyn Nichols, the pre-wired configuration reduces the cost associated with future retrofit at a later date”

The 24 F/A-18E/F Block II Super Hornets ordered by Australia in 2007 are multirole aircraft, able to perform virtually every mission in the tactical spectrum, including air superiority, day/night strike with precision-guided weapons, fighter escort, close air support, suppression of enemy air defenses, maritime strike, reconnaissance, forward air control and tanker missions. Adding an Electronic surveillance and Attack capabilities will dramatically enhance the nation’s cyber-warfare potential to engage future adversaries with non lethal but highly effective, means.
 

gf0012-aust

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Australia is wiring 12 of its new Super Hornets to receive Electronic Surveillance and Attack systems, if and when such capability will be required. .
This is about 9 months old, I hope DN is not promoting this as "breaking news"

we decided 18 months ago that they were getting wired. 6+6
 

Abraham Gubler

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But did'nt we have more than 90 Leopards?
We had more than a 100. But the Leopard isn't a good example. We brought enough to equip two armoured regiments but only ever manned one while it was in service. Now I disagree with the sentiment that ADF has reduced in combat strength.

The Air Force in its post war peak only had two Canberra strike and four Miro fighter squadrons. The other units were for training. We now have four Hornet strike fighter squadrons. Not counting the difference in capability the four Hornet squadrons can generate more missions and are fully flexible in strike, recce, fighter roles. Similarly for MPA we may be going from 18 to 8 but there is also the Global Hawk and a huge increase in the amount of ocean (and now land) that can be covered.

The Navy has maintained a steady state in destroyer/frigate numbers since the war but has significantly increased submarine, patrol and amphibious capability. We have lost the carrier but since Korea it was primarily an ASW convoy escort platform. Arguably the Seahawk is a lot better ASW aircraft than anything flown from Melbourne. With the AWD and SM6 we will restore a Shad Hacker capability.

Army combat strength has increased compared to the periods when we didn’t have selective conscription. We only had five combined arms units and eight before and after conscription and all were under strength. The real loss in Army capability has been in combat support forces.

Of course these are on paper comparisons. Air Force and Navy are as good as they have ever been but the Army of the pre 1990s would wipe the floor with the current one. Culture is important.

Finally I would say compare us to our peers: the UK, Canada, NZ, South Africa. The comparative loss in capability since WWII has been tiny compared to these nations. They should be so lucky.
 

Abraham Gubler

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Also it’s important to point out that the reason we had more fighter, strike and MPA units in the 60s and 70s was they had a mission in SEA. Australia was required under the FPDA to provide air force capability for the Malaya peninsula. These units were not freely available to the RAAF to do with as they please. We also had a collective security requirement in the early 1950s to provide air defence to Malta! I don’t hear anyone complaining bitterly about the loss in RAAF airpower when 78 Vampire Wing was disbanded. The SEA force has been wound down as the RMAF has stood up capability to provide their own security. Australian needs have been less until the last 10 years.
 

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Watched 5 F18F,s land in darwin this afternoon, what struck me was the noise level, they seemed a lot quieter than the legacy hornets.
 

Abraham Gubler

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Watched 5 F18F,s land in darwin this afternoon, what struck me was the noise level, they seemed a lot quieter than the legacy hornets.
The bigger wing means they can land at slower speeds than C/Ds. Aircraft noise is mostly caused by thrust and air resistance both of which are lower when slower.
 

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Watched 5 F18F,s land in darwin this afternoon, what struck me was the noise level, they seemed a lot quieter than the legacy hornets.
/bragging rights on

The best thing that I've seen is being up and close to a flight of 6 x F-22's come in and land at Hawai'i when I was there. They did a slow lap of the backend of the field for the ground staff.

that was topped by seeing a B2 doing a low and slow when I was in Seattle....

doesn't get much better (except for the good old dump and burn by the pigs...

/bragging rights off
 

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that was topped by seeing a B2 doing a low and slow when I was in Seattle....

doesn't get much better (except for the good old dump and burn by the pigs...

/bragging rights off
Saw a B-2 do a couple laps at an air show in Florida a few years ago and it was just epicly awesome.

One of the coolest things I ever seen was in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida for Fleet Week and we went to some idiotic concert on the carrier that was there (forgot which one) for the free beer and food, after it was done they had an F-14 fly-by. The plane came low and slow overhead, then pulled straight up, the wings swung all the way back and it lit off full afterburner...
 

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Saw a B-2 do a couple laps at an air show in Florida a few years ago and it was just epicly awesome.

One of the coolest things I ever seen was in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida for Fleet Week and we went to some idiotic concert on the carrier that was there (forgot which one) for the free beer and food, after it was done they had an F-14 fly-by. The plane came low and slow overhead, then pulled straight up, the wings swung all the way back and it lit off full afterburner...
Would have to agree with you there FC, the F14 with wings fully sweped and afterburners is an awsome sight, was lucky enough to do some in company time with the Independence Battle Group and saw many flight ops as RESDES, and also many ADEX as well with them buzzing us on runs.
I remember them doing a live bombing run where they set up a large square using flairs and had to drop inside them, was awsome to watch. They were a great aircraft:D
 

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One of the coolest things I ever seen was in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida for Fleet Week and we went to some idiotic concert on the carrier that was there (forgot which one) for the free beer and food, after it was done they had an F-14 fly-by. The plane came low and slow overhead, then pulled straight up, the wings swung all the way back and it lit off full afterburner...
The Tomcat that is at the Smithsonian has that subtle touch of malevolence, it just sits there with its wings folded, you half expect it to pop its wings and start up.... :)

it is outdone however by the Blackbird, that is just one savage looking beast...

my 3 fav aircraft,. crusader, tomcat and blackbird... and then there's the missile collection next door....
 
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The Tomcat that is at the Smithsonian has that subtle touch of malevolence, it just sits there with its wings folded, you half expect it to pop its wings and start up.... :)

it is outdone however by the Blackbird, that is just one savage looking beast...

my 3 fav aircraft,. crusader, tomcat and blackbird... and then there's the missile collection next door....
Watch out, Abe will be telling us about the flight he got in a Super Hornet a few years back, if we keep going like this....


:p:
 

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Watch out, Abe will be telling us about the flight he got in a Super Hornet a few years back, if we keep going like this....


:p:

my 2 cents....5 or 6 F16;s of USAFaerobatic display team back in mid 90,s flying nice and slow straight over my house.
Remember running through house nearly flattening mum followed by dog who nearly did same in our haste...yep a dog that had a liking for noisy things that fly...other time F111 dump and burn shrine of remeberance melbourne...people rang in thinking we were under scud attack by sadam husseins forces i recall.

oh and not forgetting parked on dirt road at end of avalon runway watching a 707 do touch and gos...my god so loud.
dog was there to looking up at it while i had to cup his ears from the racket...my ears bore the full brunt of it.

just remebered standing in backyard at night hearing a very malevolent sounding slowly crusing multi engined jet...didnt see it ,flew overhead in a pitch black sky,so was thinking B2.
was the most impressive sounding aircraft have ever heard,was in a complete class of its own..exuded power,no mistake about it.
 
charity islands (off lake huron, michigan). old lighthouse there --- f16s would fly out of (deommed) wurtsmith air force base...and do practice low level bombing runs/strafing on the lighthouse (i assume)

being anchored out off the island, or swimming/trolling around in a dinghy --- and hearing what sounded like speed boats far off in the distance/horizon .... then out of no where they buzz over the island no more than 100-200ft off the water..and the pilots always gave plenty of hand-waves (you could see them clearly in the cockpit, they were so low).

made for good childhood times :cool:

f22s have been buzzing around detroit lately as well (filming for transformers 3) -- but i still havent caught a visual myself.
 

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Would have to agree with you there FC, the F14 with wings fully sweped and afterburners is an awsome sight, was lucky enough to do some in company time with the Independence Battle Group and saw many flight ops as RESDES, and also many ADEX as well with them buzzing us on runs.
I remember them doing a live bombing run where they set up a large square using flairs and had to drop inside them, was awsome to watch. They were a great aircraft:D
They were inmpressive planes, very loud as well (especially when you are under one that hits hits full afterburner). I fully understand why they were removed from service but still sad to see them gone.

In my time in the USN I got to see French Rafale's, many F-18's, Harriers and a couple V-22's all impressive planes in their own way.

The Tomcat that is at the Smithsonian has that subtle touch of malevolence, it just sits there with its wings folded, you half expect it to pop its wings and start up.... :)

it is outdone however by the Blackbird, that is just one savage looking beast...

my 3 fav aircraft,. crusader, tomcat and blackbird... and then there's the missile collection next door....
I love the Smithsonian Annex. I've been there twice and both times spent most of the day walking around. You are right though, the Blackbird steels the show, easily my favorite. The others I don't know, the Enola Gay is great so is the Black Widow they have on display in the WW2 section. I am hoping they replace the Enterprise with a real shuttle though.
 

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The recent Williamtown airshow was quite good (weekend Sept 18 & 19th).
Repeated F-111 dump and burns, plus vanilla and super hornet , Gloster Meteor, Sabre, Mustang........ flypasts
I stopped by next to the road outside the airbase the Monday morning - in line with the run way - when a number of aircraft were leaving and had an F-111 that had been a static display over the weekend - the one loaded up with dummy iron bombs - take off over my head - that was awesome.:cool:
 

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It's old-hat stuff but seeing a P-40F, Spitfire and Mustang doing formation flying at the Point Cook Air Pageant recently was absolutely fantastic (most beautiful engine noise in the world), especially when they disappeared for a bit and reappeared with the mighty CAC-Avon Sabre in tow... so great to see one of those flying again. With any luck they'll get it up with a Mustang and a Hornet at Avalon next year.

And although it's probably not a big deal for some, seeing the SU-27 pull out its bag of tricks at Avalon many years ago was a hell of a thing for a young un at the time... and more recently, the B-1's appearance. Never seen one of the big bombers get up before, hell of a treat for me.

That said, I'm jealous at the thought of seeing things like the F-14 and the Raptor in the air. And I'd dearly love to see a Phantom in the air just once...
 

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And I'd dearly love to see a Phantom in the air just once...
I have some fond memories of hearing and then seeing German AF Phantoms tooling around overhead when I worked in southern germany.
 
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Abraham Gubler

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especially when they disappeared for a bit and reappeared with the mighty CAC-Avon Sabre in tow....
Despite seeing some pretty cool advanced stuff I've can still vividly remember the Avon Sabre's low level passes over Amberley in the 88 Air Show. Loud and proud.
 

old faithful

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LOL! While were at it then, my earliest fast jet memory of note was a canberra bomber buzzing our school bus just south of port macquarie in the early 80,s, surprised the bus didnt tip! all us kids moving to one side to watch it! Man it was LOW!
 
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