Best Multi-Role Warship?

[rip]

A SSN or SSBN may have a higher top speed than a nuclear powered carrier. No facts but both would go faster than 40 kts, proberly faster than 50kts.

And a SSBN has a pretty high destructive value too.. However they are not really comparible. I would assume the carrier group would have had a SSN in the area, so I would assume none of the surface escorts could keep up but a sub surface one might..

My statement remains correct. I did not say that the top speed of a carrier is 40 knots I said that it was highly classified. I know how fast a fast attack nuclear sub can go. I even know how fast the old three screw Russian sub (I forget the class name, it was not considered successful design and is now long out of service, where the center screw was connected a giant hydrogen peroxide generator for use as get-a-way speed). As for the Mayaguez incident, I do not know if she had a Sub as an escort or not. We were on our way to Perth Austria for a liberty port call and if there was a sub in escort it wasn’t on the liberty call list. But as an escort, if it was doing 40 knots to keep up with the Cora Sea it was flying blind. At that speed it could see or hear anything.

 

[Belesari]

A SSN or SSBN may have a higher top speed than a nuclear powered carrier. No facts but both would go faster than 40 kts, proberly faster than 50kts.

And a SSBN has a pretty high destructive value too.. However they are not really comparible. I would assume the carrier group would have had a SSN in the area, so I would assume none of the surface escorts could keep up but a sub surface one might..

My statement remains correct. I did not say that the top speed of a carrier is 40 knots I said that it was highly classified. I know how fast a fast attack nuclear sub can go. I even know how fast the old three screw Russian sub (I forget the class name, it was not considered successful design and is now long out of service, where the center screw was connected a giant hydrogen peroxide generator for use as get-a-way speed). As for the Mayaguez incident, I do not know if she had a Sub as an escort or not. We were on our way to Perth Austria for a liberty port call and if there was a sub in escort it wasn’t on the liberty call list. But as an escort, if it was doing 40 knots to keep up with the Cora Sea it was flying blind. At that speed it could see or hear anything.

Its not offical but from what i've heard nimitz classes can make over 50 knots.

 

[F-15 Eagle]

Its not offical but from what i've heard nimitz classes can make over 50 knots.

I think they are more like 35 knots. 50 is unlikely.

 

[rip]

I think they are more like 35 knots. 50 is unlikely.

Ok, call me a liar if you like. But I was there at the Mayaguez incident and saw it happen. At one time, a longtime ago, I also had access to the classified pubs, as well. But if you feel it is necessary to believe as you do good luck.

 

[Marc 1]

FWIW, this article I received yesterday lists the Enterprise with its 8 reactors and hull design as being the fastest in the fleet with an unofficial top speed of 44knots.

‘Big E’ turns 50, prepares for final cruise | Australian Aviation Magazine

 

[rip]

FWIW, this article I received yesterday lists the Enterprise with its 8 reactors and hull design as being the fastest in the fleet with an unofficial top speed of 44knots.

‘Big E’ turns 50, prepares for final cruise | Australian Aviation Magazine

I cannot exactly remember the official classified operational Pub’s name, it was over 35 years ago, but I think it was something like NWP-25b, which was a standard reference within the CIC for OPS, which gave the Enterprise’s top speed, at least when it was new, as 55 plus knots. The Pub was only graded to the level of confidential so the exact top speed was classified secret or above.The times my ship escorted her I never saw her go so fast buthen the top speed of my DLG/CG was only 32 knots and the fasted surface escort in the task group was only 35 and a half knots and the top speed of DE-1052 clase was only 25 knots so it is no suprise.

 

[ARI78]

stealth frigates

Most "stealth frigates" actually have rather mediocre AAW systems, often little ASuW too.

not necesseraly - the IDF sa'ar 5 has the block 3 Barak aaw missile as well as upgraded hapoons, not to mention good asw and c&c capabilities.

 

[kato]

Barak as mounted on the Sa'ar 5 has a range comparable to RAM or Seawolf VL. That does not constitute a theatre AAW system, but a point-defense system.

 

[ARI78]

Barak as mounted on the Sa'ar 5 has a range comparable to RAM or Seawolf VL. That does not constitute a theatre AAW system, but a point-defense system.

I agree, the barak is NOT a theater aaw weapon. it is, however, arguably the best short range aaw system. but that is not what this thread is about - the question was about a single vessel not necesserily acting as part of a task force, therefore the vesel should be able to defend itself rather then act as an escort. the sa'ar 5, as a single ship, has a very capable and balanced all around ability to do everything from coastal and anti terorist patrols through asuw, asw, c&c. s&r (with its atalef helicopter). basically it will rank at least "very good" on almost every level, rather then being excelent in a single or double role.

 

[Waylander]

But the fact that the Sa'ar 5 carries either a 76mm OTO or a Phalanx CIWS illustrates that it is far from easy to put a well rounded weapons package into such a small hull. By having to chose only one of the possibly mounts one has to make sacrifices in ASuW/land attack capabilities or missile defence/close in speedboat defence.