Types of Vertical Launching Sytems on Submarines

dtgdiver

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I am looking for all the types of VLS on submarines and how there function. Especially how the missile leave or exit the submarine.
I know there are a lot of arts, like the WPML. I can not find any pages in the internet, which are really usefully for me, maybe you know some or have some links.
Thanks for your help!
 

Juramentado

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I am looking for all the types of VLS on submarines and how there function. Especially how the missile leave or exit the submarine.
I know there are a lot of arts, like the WPML. I can not find any pages in the internet, which are really usefully for me, maybe you know some or have some links.
Thanks for your help!
Are you looking for graphics or a more exact idea of how it works? Most of the search engine results you will get point to the Mk.41 VLS which is ship-borne, but the Mk 36 VLS on US subs works pretty much the same way - the missile is ejected via cold-gas charge to clear the tube, then ignites it's booster and begins it's ascent.
 

dtgdiver

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Hi, thanks for the info. I look for both, graphics and the idea how it works.
Do you know any Links/Websites which are may useful for me?
Sorry, but I can't find any Information about the Mk36, is this System from Lockhead-Martin?
Thanks a lot, I hope to hear from you soon!
 

dtgdiver

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Are you looking for graphics or a more exact idea of how it works? Most of the search engine results you will get point to the Mk.41 VLS which is ship-borne, but the Mk 36 VLS on US subs works pretty much the same way - the missile is ejected via cold-gas charge to clear the tube, then ignites it's booster and begins it's ascent.
Hi, thanks for the info. I look for both, graphics and the idea how it works.
Do you know any Links/Websites which are may useful for me?
Sorry, but I can't find any Information about the Mk36, is this System from Lockhead-Martin?
Thanks a lot, I hope to hear from you soon!
 

gf0012-aust

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There are 3 types of ejection.

cold launch
hot launch
AUC which can include the prev two types as part of its ejections process.

hot or cold refers to the ignition state during the launch.
 

dtgdiver

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Does the VL System on submarines work the same way, like on ships.
Hot Launch:
The Missile turbo-fan starts burning inside the VLS Tubes, right?
But what happend with the hot exhaust gas?
And which function have the canister, is it used by hot or cold launch?

Cold Launch:
How I eject the missile. I mean the missile have to cross the way between sub and surface and than it have to breach through the water surface area! Therefore we need a lot of power, or not.
But I think this can be solved with compressed air, the air volume expanded on the way to surface.
Toward The Principe of Archimedes the missile have to getting faster and faster til it reach the surface.

You see. My information are just assumed. I can't find any usefull information in the internet.
I hope one of you know a site or a link where I can read a lot more of VLS on SUBMARINES!
Maybe some write here. Whatever I'am thankful for all I can get.
Hope to hear from you!
 

gf0012-aust

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Hot Launch:
The Missile turbo-fan starts burning inside the VLS Tubes, right?
yes


But what happend with the hot exhaust gas?
And which function have the canister, is it used by hot or cold launch?
it vents through the top of the cannister


But I think this can be solved with compressed air, the air volume expanded on the way to surface.
Toward The Principe of Archimedes the missile have to getting faster and faster til it reach the surface.
Cold launch already does that
 

dtgdiver

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Hi,
thanks for comment!
By hot launch, the exhaust gas exit on the top of the cannister, so on the top of the tube/submarine.
Or include hot launch the canister system? Is the canister system for Hot or cold launch?
Do you know till which deep the hot or cold launch can be started?
Do you know some Website?
 

gf0012-aust

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hot launch is propelled within the cannister by the missile booster itself. ie it ignites in the tube

cold launch ejects the missile via a slug of water or air. the missile ignites as it clears the sub in a safe zone

the cannister/tube does not get ejected

an AUC is a launch cannister which includes the fire control system as well as basic launch mechanisms etc....

hot launch tubes are inherently more robust than cold launch because they have to undergo heat stress etc....

cold launch tubes are generally preferred, lighter build, easier build mechanisms in construction, less destructive on the tubes etc......
 

dtgdiver

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"hot launch is propelled within the cannister by the missile booster itself. ie it ignites in the tube"

Does the Missile need a second gear to cross the water head?
Is this system built by Lockheed Martin, Raytheon or others?
Do you know the Typ Name. Like Mk 41 for ships. I heard about the Mk 36, but can't find anything?

cold launch ejects the missile via a slug of water or air. the missile ignites as it clears the sub in a safe zone.
the cannister/tube does not get ejected


I think the russians prefer cold launch!
You know some types and companys which built cold lauch systems?

an AUC is a launch cannister which includes the fire control system as well as basic launch mechanisms etc....

What means AUC? Is this the system, where the missile is covered by a canister.
I thought there are a process where the canister get ejected from the sub. As soon as the canister break through the surface, the cannister splited of and the missile inside start his gear?


hot launch tubes are inherently more robust than cold launch because they have to undergo heat stress etc....

cold launch tubes are generally preferred, lighter build, easier build mechanisms in construction, less destructive on the tubes etc.....


This systems aren't depth indepandent!?
Till which depth I can use this Systems?

Thanks a lot, again
 

gf0012-aust

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VLS for skimmers can be different from VLS for subs in a number of areas.

what are you after as they are different technical sets in a lot of areas
 

dtgdiver

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VLS for skimmers can be different from VLS for subs in a number of areas.

what are you after as they are different technical sets in a lot of areas
I looking for a side, where I can read more about VLS for subs!
Do you know some?
 

My2Cents

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Does the VL System on submarines work the same way, like on ships.
Hot Launch:
The Missile turbo-fan starts burning inside the VLS Tubes, right?
But what happend with the hot exhaust gas?
And which function have the canister, is it used by hot or cold launch?
Hot launch systems are currently only used for missiles on surface combatants. The problem as you noted is what happens to the exhaust gases, which have to be vented separately from the missile.

The new AUC designs solves the exhaust gas problem, so we may finally see hot launch systems on sub. AUC is especially useful for small(er) missiles like SAMs.

Missiles with air breathing propulsion (prop, turbo fan, turbine engine, ramjet, scramjet, etc) use a rocket booster to launch and get up to flight speed quickly. The air breathing engine then deploys and takes over.

For sub launched missiles the canister is strictly for handling protection and as a moisture seal.

Cold Launch:
How I eject the missile. I mean the missile have to cross the way between sub and surface and than it have to breach through the water surface area! Therefore we need a lot of power, or not.
But I think this can be solved with compressed air, the air volume expanded on the way to surface.
Toward The Principe of Archimedes the missile have to getting faster and faster til it reach the surface.
2 systems: un-encapsulated and encapsulated.

Un-encapsulated systems are commonly used for SLBM. The missile silo is pressured using either compressed air or a gas generator until the pressure inside exceeds the pressure outside by a predetermined amount. The inner seal on the silo, which is basically a rupture disk, then releases the pressure ahead of the missile which them functions as a piston in a cylinder and is propelled outward by the gas pressure behind it (there should be a void area below the missile to function as an accumulator to aid this). The missile rises until the tip breaches the surface then the booster ignites.

Encapsulated systems are mostly for small missiles like Harpoon and Tomahawk. The capsule is a waterproof enclosure that rises rapidly to the surface at a predetermined angle propelled by buoyancy. When the capsule breaches the surface the booster fires propelling it into the air, where other charges shred the capsule releasing the missile. Many of these systems are designed to launch out of torpedo tubes, which is partially responsible for the growth in the size of them in submarines.
 

gf0012-aust

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The new AUC designs solves the exhaust gas problem, so we may finally see hot launch systems on sub. AUC is especially useful for small(er) missiles like SAMs.
The fundamental issue with AUC is that it is "engineering portable" in an oblique sense because it is completely self contained - ie it has part of the electronics for a FCS built into it - thus its easier to retro fit onto a broader range of vessels.

cold and hot launch designs have to be built into a sub, they're not a retro fit as such (whereas a properly pressure managed AUC could do it at a pinch - although one would wonder why you'd make the effort)

we're merging the launch types into container types when we start talking about skimmers and subs - it can be all too easy to start blurring the definition lines

and then there is PLS..... :)
 

EXSSBN2005

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My2cents is close enough on the SLBM launch that you can use that as fact, the small void is filled with dionized water and the gas generator on a ohio class is basically a rocket engine aimed at this water, which causes it to flash to steam and the missle rises to the surface in a bubble of steam and the MT's told me that it doesnt get wet on the way up and the missile ignites when the it sences g-forces stopping the upward momentium as it has broken thru the surface and begins to fall back towards the oceans surface.

I'm thinking you were looking for a version of the smaller tube though like on the 688i or similar classes, for that google vls missile launch and its about the 3rd one down.
 

My2Cents

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The fundamental issue with AUC is that it is "engineering portable" in an oblique sense because it is completely self contained - ie it has part of the electronics for a FCS built into it - thus its easier to retro fit onto a broader range of vessels.

cold and hot launch designs have to be built into a sub, they're not a retro fit as such (whereas a properly pressure managed AUC could do it at a pinch - although one would wonder why you'd make the effort)

we're merging the launch types into container types when we start talking about skimmers and subs - it can be all too easy to start blurring the definition lines

and then there is PLS..... :)
Sorry, I got the AUC system mixed up with the WPML
 
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