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localhost127

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what is the state of the reactor when the sub is dry-docked/preparing to be launched (like in the article)

at what stage of the construction is the reactor added ... and when is fuel added / the reactor started?

seems to me like very tricky timing scenarios to work around ... im curious if any of this is published/public data.
 
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Wall83

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localhost127 said:
what is the state of the reactor when the sub is dry-docked/preparing to be launched (like in the article)

at what stage of the construction is the reactor added ... and when is fuel added / the reactor started?

seems to me like very tricky timing scenarios to work around ... im curious if any of this is published/public data.
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If you look at the first Borei class submarine that was rolled out from the construction hall in april 2007 it didnt have its reactor activated until the fall of 2008.
 
StevoJH

StevoJH

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that's seriously bad build quality on that sail.

you'd want to make sure your recovery team is on standby once you started depth tests.....
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Don't forget the things been on the blocks for the last 17 years as well, probably more then just the sail has problems.
 
gf0012-aust

gf0012-aust

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Wall83 said:
It aint any worse then the sail on the Yuriy Dolgorukiy.
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which is nothing to be proud of


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And i think both are coverd with some kind of noice reduzing material that makes it look worse then its actually is.
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acoustic matting does not cause that kind of plate ripple - at all. shape deformation like that causes an underwater variation of signal reflection. eg military cables are drawn at a much slower speed than commercial cables - when you draw the cables faster, you get material "stretch" or the equiv of what you're seeing on that sail - ie pits and waving. Pits and waving causes amplified reflection. against a threat with less sophisticated ASW it would not have much impact - against an active near peer its equivalent to standing on a hill with a flag and yelling down to everyone - it might be a while before everyone at the foot of the hill spots you - but they will spot you in the end.

the russians have never been able to design their acoustic tiles to fit or work properly. eg look at Collins - can you see any indication of poor fitment or even where the tiles join? granted the australian DSTO designed their own tiles (because we couldn't get the US or UK to transfer their acoustic mat technologies at the time) - but its an indication that the russian tech has not improved since the mid 70's.

in fact, I've never seen any images of poor tile fitment in US, UK or French nukes even when they've been sitting at the breakers and out of water for years. I've also never seen poor tile fitment on some of our allied partners conventionals sporting acoustic matting.

btw, acoustic matting is not normally applied to the walls of a sail. the signature management issues are more important elsewhere
 
StevoJH

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I hope the pressure hull has a better finish then the outer casing for the sake of the sailors who will serve aboard her.
 
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Earlier in the week the Russian Slava class cruiser, a tug and a tanker paid a visit to San Fransisco.

Russian warship makes rare S.F. appearance - SFGate

The ship's visit also commemorates a nearly forgotten bit of Russian-American history. Czar Alexander II sent a fleet to San Francisco and New York in 1863 during the American Civil War to show support for the union.

That Russian squadron, six ships commanded by a rear admiral, spent several months in San Francisco Bay. It was a difficult time for the United States - the British were considering recognizing the Confederacy, the French were about to send an army to Mexico, and the Confederate Navy had ideas about the Pacific.

Not only that, Russian sailors helped fight a huge fire in San Francisco and six of them died. A plaque honoring the sailors was dedicated Tuesday afternoon at Broadway and the Embarcadero.

"We have a very, very rich history," Kastonov said.

That may be, but it took more than a century for another Russian Navy warship to sail to what Kastonov called "your very beautiful coast and beautiful city." A Russian submarine came here during World War II, and an occasional Russian research ship, but that was it.
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I didn't know that, interesting.

On Wednesday, the Varyag's crew will participate in a cookout and sports competition with sailors from the U.S. Navy cruiser Bunker Hill, which is also in port.
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Those are always fun, when the destroyer I was on was part of Standing Naval Forces Mediterranean we had a big cookout and pier party for all the ships a couple times and it was always enjoyable.

More pics can be found here.
[ame="http://www.flickr.com/photos/sanddabbla/sets/72157624328478760/"]Varvag Visits San Francisco - a set on Flickr[/ame]

and here.

A SPECIAL VISITOR: Russian Warship Makes Rare Visit To SF - Photos - KTVU San Francisco

In picture 11 of 40 what exactly is that?
 
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Russia to boost Black Sea Fleet
"Russia aims to overhaul it with modern frigates and diesel-electric submarines by 2020" says a report by Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.
12 July 2010 Monday, 15:52:28

Russia plans to radically renovate its crumbling Black Sea Fleet with 15 new vessels after a landmark deal with Ukraine to extend the lease on the fleet's main base, a Russian military think tank said in a report.

In a step that underlined Ukraine's shift back towards Moscow after the election of President Viktor Yanukovich, Kiev agreed in April to extend the Russian fleet's Sevastopol base lease by 25 years in return for a 30 percent cut in gas prices.

Much of the fleet has fallen into disrepair in recent years, but Russia aims to overhaul it with 10 modern frigates and five diesel-electric submarines by 2020, the Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST) said in a report.

"The implementation of these decisions will be significantly facilitated by Russia's military partnership with Ukraine which is being restored following Viktor Yanukovich's election as Ukrainian president," said the report obtained by Reuters.

Elected in Feburary for a five-year term, Yanukovich has overturned the policies of his predecessor Viktor Yushchenko, seeking better ties with Ukraine's former Soviet master and burying Yushchenko's pursuit of NATO membership.

Yushchenko had pushed hard for the Russian fleet to be withdrawn when the lease expired in 2017.

Russia's Black Sea Fleet took to the sea in August 2008 to track NATO vessels during Russia's war with Georgia. NATO said they were delivering aid to Georgia, but Moscow saw them as encroaching on its sphere of influence.

The fleet is a shadow of its Cold War-era scale. It retains a formidable missile cruiser and a large anti-submarine destroyer, but nearly all of its other vessels are "either obsolete or totally worn-out" CAST said.

"Nowadays the Black Sea Fleet is a rather small and motley gathering of single ships of various types, some of which can already be viewed as museum exhibits" CAST wrote.

CAST said Russia was now boosting its coastal defences on the Black Sea with anti-ship missiles "after the appearance of U.S. warships charged with muscle-flexing in August 2008".

"The events of August 2008 -- a military campaign against Georgia and the voyage of U.S. warships to the Black Sea in a bid to offer at least moral support to Georgia -- have avidly shown that the Black Sea and Baltic fleets remain key for the security of the Russian state," CAST wrote.

While the Black Sea fleet may still be a menace to Georgia, it is no longer a match for NATO member Turkey, the region's main naval power.

Reuters
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According to that source : Russia's Black Sea Fleet to receive new frigates, subs by 2015 - admiral | Russia | RIA Novosti, Russia within 5 years, will commission 2 corvettes and 3 subs.. Do you guys know the class of those vessels?
 
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Clampipe

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The Black Sea is a "killing field" for Tu-22M3 bombers, so there's really no rush - but any news of upgrades is good.

It will be well covered by Gorshkov class frigates and Lada class submarines.

I'd even suggest that Moskva be moved to - say the Pacific Fleet - once the new destroyer for the Russian Navy is revealed and built post 2010 - 2011.
 
StevoJH

StevoJH

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I think gf already has a Job working for the Australian Defense Department.

Myself on the otherhand...no experience, but that looks like bad workmanship for something like a car, let alone something that is supposed to travel underwater without letting water inside.
 
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Clampipe

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StevoJH said:
I think gf already has a Job working for the Australian Defense Department.

Myself on the otherhand...no experience, but that looks like bad workmanship for something like a car, let alone something that is supposed to travel underwater without letting water inside.
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Russian subs have always had a "rough" appearance on the anechoic tiles that they use. So the total BS comments are just wishful thinking.



I mean HMS Triumph sunk right after launch right right?.... not...
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Also, if anyone hasn't heard - Russia has added 20 trillion rubles for re-armament till 2020 per year. That's $70 billion extra per year on top of the normal defense budget.

You can expect some serious naval repairs and purchases to be part of those.
 
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StevoJH

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From memory that photo of Triumph was of her returning from an operational deployment (Iraq?) just before going into refit.

Hardly the same as a ship that hasnt even been launched yet.

Edit: 20 Trillion Rubles is 753 Billion AUD. Dividing by 10 gives 75 Billion AUD/year.

As Russia has a GDP of about $1.5 Trillion USD per year, where are they finding this invisible 75 billion AUD per year?

Source please.
 
Preceptor

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Clampipe said:
Yeah and his awesome experience with building Russian nuclear submarines must be legendary... right? :rolleyes:

I've read a good amount of this forum scouring for news and what not. His agenda is pretty clear.

Russian subs have always had a "rough" appearance on the anechoic tiles that they use. So the total BS comments are just wishful thinking.
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Clampipe said:
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Tread with great care. Many if not all of the Defence Professionals on this forum have either current or former access to non-public information. It is therefore foolish to make a statement that someone has an "amazing skill" at judging performance from low-res images off the internet when that person has access to more than just public information.

WARNING ISSUED. Continuation of sarcastic and/or baiting comments is neither desired or appreciated. Failure to heed this warning will result in additional actions being taken.
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aussienscale

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AegisFC said:
Earlier in the week the Russian Slava class cruiser, a tug and a tanker paid a visit to San Fransisco.

In picture 11 of 40 what exactly is that?
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Good question ????:confused:
Just to look at it I would say some form of mortar system, or depth charge launcher, I know back in the 50's and 60's there used to be Anti Submarine Mortars used by the British. Or maybe some form of Chaff Launcher ?? Will do some research to try and find out unless someone on here can supply a difinitive answer in the mean time

OK found it ! It is as I suspected, a Decoy system here is a link
http://warfare.ru/?lang=&catid=333&linkid=2407&linkname=PK-2-SHIPBORNE-DECOY-DISPENSING-SYSTEM
 
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Clampipe

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StevoJH said:
From memory that photo of Triumph was of her returning from an operational deployment (Iraq?) just before going into refit.

Hardly the same as a ship that hasnt even been launched yet.

Edit: 20 Trillion Rubles is 753 Billion AUD. Dividing by 10 gives 75 Billion AUD/year.

As Russia has a GDP of about $1.5 Trillion USD per year, where are they finding this invisible 75 billion AUD per year?

Source please.
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Russia Doubles Funding For Military Rearmament

Reading your posts in most forums, your agenda and prejudice is pretty clear too. If you have trouble believing that, so be it. The re-armament is speeding up, big time. Nothing out-of-the-blue for a military so huge as Russia's.
 
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