StevoJH
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And dated October 2008, well after the last Spraunce left service....
I think LM need to work on their PR departments research skills.
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I think LM need to work on their PR departments research skills.
unless its just a an old idea reheated as a load of vessels with ASW focus (Japanese and Korean) vessels it was an attempt to reheat an old idea because that's been around since the late 80s VL AsrocAnd dated October 2008, well after the last Spraunce left service....
I think LM need to work on their PR departments research skills.
StevoJH
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Perhaps, but I would have thought someone would have at least skimmed through it and checked all the facts were still up to date before authorising its release.
weasel1962
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The corp comms people generally don't require industry (ie military) knowledge as a pre-req though...
Agreed, the spruance class have de-commed. I wouldn't be too hard on LM (guilty of lax cut and pasting for my original post as well and in defence, its not a material issue)
How effective is the ASROC as an anti submarine weapon?
The RUM 139A/B is listed with a range of 28 km (15 nm), how effective is this? Wouldn't a maritime helicopter be more effective?
The payload is a Mark 46 torpedo. I believe the RAN has replaced the Mk46 with Eurotorp MU90
Could the ASROC be adapted to use the Eurotorp MU90?
perhaps the VLA-ER could be an option for the future frigate with its anti- submarine focus
from VLA-ER / VLA Extended Range
The RUM 139A/B is listed with a range of 28 km (15 nm), how effective is this? Wouldn't a maritime helicopter be more effective?
The payload is a Mark 46 torpedo. I believe the RAN has replaced the Mk46 with Eurotorp MU90
Could the ASROC be adapted to use the Eurotorp MU90?
perhaps the VLA-ER could be an option for the future frigate with its anti- submarine focus
from VLA-ER / VLA Extended Range
The VLA-ER uses a Mk54 torpedo
Just a quick question, what will we be using to move the Canberra and Adelaide to Williamstown ? I did have the reference but for the life of me can't find it on the net now
assistance appreciated
assistance appreciated
StevoJH
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Large transport ship with a submersible dock on the back from memory.Just a quick question, what will we be using to move the Canberra and Adelaide to Williamstown ? I did have the reference but for the life of me can't find it on the net now
assistance appreciated
Any specific names of the ship ?
StevoJH
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Blue Marlin is probably the only one that *might* be big enough, but if the deck dimensions on Wikipedia are correct, there would be a roughly 50-60 metre overhang from the rear of Blue Marlin if they plan to carry the entire assembled hull.
I guess if it worked out to be too big they could always tow it here.
I was wondering, if RAN gets the MH-60R, whether it would want to utilise the AGM-119 that they acquired back in ~2002, presuming they still have them?
The links that Google finds for me seems to favour the idea that the Romeo can deploy the AGM-119.
Stumbled on this link, the comment #1 at the bottom makes for an interesting read.
Australia Formally Requests Buying 24 MH-60R from the USA - Defense-Update Newscast
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The links that Google finds for me seems to favour the idea that the Romeo can deploy the AGM-119.
Stumbled on this link, the comment #1 at the bottom makes for an interesting read.
Australia Formally Requests Buying 24 MH-60R from the USA - Defense-Update Newscast
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StevoJH
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So.
This doesnt mean that MH-60R is being purchased.
What this means, is that the company making MH-60R is requesting permission from the US Government to sell it. They have to do this prior to making a bid to the competition.
In other words, the Australian government still hasnt made its decision on what helicopter to buy yet.
Yes, I understand that.
But if they did, i was wondering whether the the Penguin would still be a viable option, presuming they haven't already been disposed of.
Having a missile with a ~35km range and a 120kg warhead would be a useful option I would have thought.
Hellfire is probably sufficient - if it's not then the MH-60R can always feed targeting information to nearby surface assets for a Harpoon launch. Likewise it can share data with maritime patrol or strike aircraft, both of which have options for prosecuting surface targets. Not like the chopper is going to be operating independently, after all.
weasel1962
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Delilah-HL. 3 times larger warhead than the hellfire. 10 times the range of the sea skua.
DELILAH HL
USN used to have a light defender/star-1 project but I did not keep track.
DELILAH HL
USN used to have a light defender/star-1 project but I did not keep track.
weasel1962
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Not with the RAN yet. Its been marketed to India and the deal to license produce the missile fell through with the Turks due to recent "bad weather".
The -HL version is apparently integrated with Israeli UH-60s/S70s (there's a pic at the link) so it is reasonable to assume the MH-60 and even older RAN S-70s should be able to carry that. Weight wise, its about 2/3 that of the penguin so there shouldn't be a weight constraint but there's a significant range difference.
The -AL version has been fired in anger by Israeli F-16s and the -HL version has an additional booster. The delilah was evaluated in competition with the SLAM and JASSM for the RAAF LR missile requirement (AIR 5418) but the latter was ultimately adopted. There is no JASSM equivalant for the helo version though.
With the new maritime radars for the ASW helos exceeding 200nm in detection range, the missile also complements the radar range nicely.
Not with the RAN yet. Its been marketed to India and the deal to license produce the missile fell through with the Turks due to recent "bad weather".
The -HL version is apparently integrated with Israeli UH-60s/S70s (there's a pic at the link) so it is reasonable to assume the MH-60 and even older RAN S-70s should be able to carry that. Weight wise, its about 2/3 that of the penguin so there shouldn't be a weight constraint but there's a significant range difference.
The -AL version has been fired in anger by Israeli F-16s and the -HL version has an additional booster. The delilah was evaluated in competition with the SLAM and JASSM for the RAAF LR missile requirement (AIR 5418) but the latter was ultimately adopted. There is no JASSM equivalant for the helo version though.
With the new maritime radars for the ASW helos exceeding 200nm in detection range, the missile also complements the radar range nicely.
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From what I looked at I think they will just tow it here. The ships are just a bit too big to do it other ways. Thats a pretty long tow.
StevoJH
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They did it for Varyag. I see no reason they can't do it.
The vayrag tow was not exactly with out incident.. Infact it sounded like a nightmare. And it wasnt cheap @ ~ $5million and huge delays (not that it was a big problem for that project).
I don't doubt it can be done, I just wonder if the government might cheap out and get it more fitted in spain to reduce costs.. atleast so its easier to tow or sail.
My comment may need clarification, I think they will tow it as there is no other way to get it here, but still thats a long tow.
I don't doubt it can be done, I just wonder if the government might cheap out and get it more fitted in spain to reduce costs.. atleast so its easier to tow or sail.
My comment may need clarification, I think they will tow it as there is no other way to get it here, but still thats a long tow.
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