ANKA - The First MALE Class UAV of Turkish Air Force

madandlucky

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TAI (Turkish Aerospace Industry) presented the first MALE Class UAV of Turkish Air Force...
Its specifies:
30000ft, 24hr
200km range
auto-landing
ASELFLIR 300-T
 

BronzePlaque

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BronzePlaque

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Program Definition:

The TIHA, Turkish Indigenous MALE (Medium Altitude Long Endurance) Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) System Program signed between the Undersecretariat for National Defense (SSM) and TAI at December 24, 2004 to meet the MALE UAV requirements of Turkish Armed Forces (TAF). Program covers design, development, production, test and delivery of three air vehicle prototypes, all related ground systems and technical documentation, consist of "Conceptual Design", "Preliminary Design", "Detail Design and Development" and "Tests and Evaluation" phases. During the development phase, a Systems Integration Laboratory (SIL), where system elements and their interfaces will be developed and integrated is established. Consequently, the TIHA System,

System Definition:

With TIHA system, which is developed for day and night real time image intelligence for surveillance, reconnaissance, fixed/moving target detection, identification and tracking missions; the following payload can be carried on board:

* Electro-Optical Day Camera (EO Day TV),
* Day Camera (EO-Electro Optic) / Thermal Camera (IR-Infrared) / LRF-Laser Range Finder & LD-Laser Designator and Spotter,
* SAR-Synthetic Aperture Radar / MTI- Moving Target Indicator & ISAR-Inverse SAR.

Full composite airframe is composed of monocock fuselage, detachable wing and V-Tail, retractable landing gear, equipment bays, service doors and other structural components. The air vehicle is powered by a pusher type piston-prop propulsion system. The airframe is equipped with miscellaneous sub systems like fuel system; de/anti-ice devices; environmental conditioning system for cooling/heating requirements of the compartments.

The avionics system includes a Flight Management System (FMS); integrated to FMS, flight sensors (pitot-static sensor, embedded GPS/INS, magnetic heading, displacement, temperature, pressure transducers), actuators; dedicated communication and identification devices; mission control, record; and other control and interface units.

Technical Specifications:

TIHA system basic performance parameters are as follows:

* Service Ceiling: 30,000 ft
* Endurance: 24 hrs
* Cruise Speed: >75 kts
* Environmental Conditions: 15 kts side wind, 20 kts head wind; temperature, humidity, rain and icing limits as defined in MIL-HDBK-310
 

AMERICANMAN

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Program Definition:

The TIHA, Turkish Indigenous MALE (Medium Altitude Long Endurance) Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) System Program signed between the Undersecretariat for National Defense (SSM) and TAI at December 24, 2004 to meet the MALE UAV requirements of Turkish Armed Forces (TAF). Program covers design, development, production, test and delivery of three air vehicle prototypes, all related ground systems and technical documentation, consist of "Conceptual Design", "Preliminary Design", "Detail Design and Development" and "Tests and Evaluation" phases. During the development phase, a Systems Integration Laboratory (SIL), where system elements and their interfaces will be developed and integrated is established. Consequently, the TIHA System,

System Definition:

With TIHA system, which is developed for day and night real time image intelligence for surveillance, reconnaissance, fixed/moving target detection, identification and tracking missions; the following payload can be carried on board:

* Electro-Optical Day Camera (EO Day TV),
* Day Camera (EO-Electro Optic) / Thermal Camera (IR-Infrared) / LRF-Laser Range Finder & LD-Laser Designator and Spotter,
* SAR-Synthetic Aperture Radar / MTI- Moving Target Indicator & ISAR-Inverse SAR.

Full composite airframe is composed of monocock fuselage, detachable wing and V-Tail, retractable landing gear, equipment bays, service doors and other structural components. The air vehicle is powered by a pusher type piston-prop propulsion system. The airframe is equipped with miscellaneous sub systems like fuel system; de/anti-ice devices; environmental conditioning system for cooling/heating requirements of the compartments.

The avionics system includes a Flight Management System (FMS); integrated to FMS, flight sensors (pitot-static sensor, embedded GPS/INS, magnetic heading, displacement, temperature, pressure transducers), actuators; dedicated communication and identification devices; mission control, record; and other control and interface units.

Technical Specifications:

TIHA system basic performance parameters are as follows:

* Service Ceiling: 30,000 ft
* Endurance: 24 hrs
* Cruise Speed: >75 kts
* Environmental Conditions: 15 kts side wind, 20 kts head wind; temperature, humidity, rain and icing limits as defined in MIL-HDBK-310
It seems kind of strange that as soon as Israel pulls out of joint UAV program with Turkey that Turkey rolls out a UAV program of its own. Why were they paying Israel hundreds of million dollars for a UAV program if they could do it on their own. Really UAV are not all that complicated to build its the computer programs and the interfaces where the real problems are involved to keep them flying. I dont think Turkey can handle that or they would not have needed Israel in the first place.
 

BronzePlaque

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It seems kind of strange that as soon as Israel pulls out of joint UAV program with Turkey that Turkey rolls out a UAV program of its own. Why were they paying Israel hundreds of million dollars for a UAV program if they could do it on their own. Really UAV are not all that complicated to build its the computer programs and the interfaces where the real problems are involved to keep them flying. I dont think Turkey can handle that or they would not have needed Israel in the first place.
-Turkey has started developing own MALE UAV program in 2004 and It has nothing to do with Israel...
-Turkey does not have any ambitious plans to copy other's products to represent it as Turkish made..

Its obvious you have no idea about Turkish defence industry and simple basics of military...That Turkish Male Uav will be in service in 2011..and what would you expect from Turkey to do when she needs UAVs "today"?

What makes you think that Turkey can not handle those UAVs? Please specify

"Why were they paying Israel hundreds of million dollars for a UAV program if they could do it on their own." : This isnt, run out to the store for an R/C Sopwith Camel with a Camera aboard you know..

Now please go to your room, sleep a bit and make your mind...if you still think the same way, sleep again...
 
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AMERICANMAN

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-Turkey has started developing own MALE UAV program in 2004 and It has nothing to do with Israel...
-Turkey does not have any ambitious plans to copy other's products to represent it as Turkish made..

Its obvious you have no idea about Turkish defence industry and simple basics of military...That Turkish Male Uav will be in service in 2011..and what would you expect from Turkey to do when she needs UAVs "today"?

What makes you think that Turkey can not handle those UAVs? Please specify

"Why were they paying Israel hundreds of million dollars for a UAV program if they could do it on their own." : This isnt, run out to the store for an R/C Sopwith Camel with a Camera aboard you know..

Now please go to your room, sleep a bit and make your mind...if you still think the same way, sleep again...
Wake up and smell the roses.

Turkey expects 4 more Israeli UAVs - report
While demanding an Israeli apology for the flotilla interception which turned violent, Turkey looks to complete an Elbit Systems deal from 2004.
11 July 10 11:38, Globes' correspondentTurkish daily "Today's Zaman" reports that remaining four Heron unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) out of ten that Turkey ordered from Israel are expected to be delivered in August. The Herons are manufactured by Elbit Systems Ltd. (Nasdaq: ESLT; TASE: ESLT) and Israel Aerospace Industries Ltd. (IAI) (TASE: ARSP.B1).
"Today's Zaman" added that the first six Herons were delivered to Turkey in March 2010, after a delay of over two years. Turkey signed the $180 million contract for ten Herons in 2004.
Turkey expects 4 more Israeli UAVs - report - Globes

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Turkey 'pretending' to make its own UAV's

On Tuesday, I reported that Turkey had 'suspended' its contract to purchase UAV's (unmanned aerial vehicles) from Israel. A senior Israeli defense ministry source, however, has told YNet that the contract is continuing and that the Turkish army is 'pretending' that it is capable of producing UAV's directly to please Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan.
The Turkish military is still using Israel-made UAVs (Unmanned Aerial Vehicles), a senior source in the defense establishment said Monday, following a report in the Turkish daily Zaman, suggesting Ankara has ceased using such UAVs in favor of Turkish made ones.

"Anyone paying attention to what is written in the report can immediately see that it's false," said the source. "There is no such thing as Turkish-made UAVs, simply because they do not manufacture any unmanned aerial vehicles.

"If the Turks were able to manufacture UAVs, they wouldn’t be buying them from Israel; and even if they started manufacturing them, they can't just dispose of an Israeli UAV, which they paid a fortune for, and spent months learning how to operate, and just change it," he said.

The Turks, he added, "Would have no problem stripping the UAV from its Israeli trademarks, giving it a new paint job, sticking the Turkish flag on it, and staging a photo op.

"This is all just a show for (Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip) Erdogan. Their prime minister is causing them a lot of grief. The military doesn’t like his policies – so he replaces generals.

"They need to take part in the show called 'we hate Israel' and pretend to boycott Israel. It's the same in Israel. As things stand, I meet with many high-ranking Turkish officials and both sides know that the relationship will continue."
I'd rather Israel not be supplying advanced military technology to a country on the verge of becoming an enemy. But isn't it amazing how the Turks are capable of lying to themselves?

Israel Matzav: Turkey 'pretending' to make its own UAV's

Makes better sense then beliving Turkey can come up with its on UAV after spending 180 million on ten UAVs from Israel.
 

swerve

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Wake up and smell the roses.
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Turkey 'pretending' to make its own UAV's

. A senior Israeli defense ministry source, however, has told YNet that ... the Turkish army is 'pretending' that it is capable of producing UAV's directly to please Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan.
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"Anyone paying attention to what is written in the report can immediately see that it's false," said the source. "There is no such thing as Turkish-made UAVs, simply because they do not manufacture any unmanned aerial vehicles.

"If the Turks were able to manufacture UAVs, they wouldn’t be buying them from Israel; and even if they started manufacturing them, they can't just dispose of an Israeli UAV, which they paid a fortune for, and spent months learning how to operate, and just change it," he said.

The Turks, he added, "Would have no problem stripping the UAV from its Israeli trademarks, giving it a new paint job, sticking the Turkish flag on it, and staging a photo op.

Israel Matzav: Turkey 'pretending' to make its own UAV's

Makes better sense then beliving Turkey can come up with its on UAV after spending 180 million on ten UAVs from Israel.
The Turkish UAVs pictured are completely different from those bought from Israel. You don't turn a Rafale into an F-18E by changing the name painted on it, & the physical differences are of a similar magnitude.

There is no contradiction in buying Israel UAVs & developing their own. At the time Turkey ordered the Heron from Israel, Turkish equivalents were a future project, while Israeli UAVs were a present reality. The generals didn't want to wait & hope. Buy foreign for the short-term need, with an eye to buying local in the future if indigenous industry comes up with the goods. Where's the contradiction?

The Turkish UAV programme has been public for several years, as Bronzeplaque says. There is no question of this being something hastily cobbled together for a photo-op. The development contract for the ANKA was signed, & announced, in December 2004. It is scheduled to fly in September this year.

The only parts of the above report that rings true are those that refer to Turkey not yet having Turkish UAVs in service yet, & not discarding its current fleet of Israeli UAVs. Of course, Turkey will keep the current lot in use.

Some idiot in Israel has countered an exaggerated press report from Turkey with one even worse.

BTW, that blog is as reliable a source as North Korean official spokesmen. Have you read it?
 
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AMERICANMAN

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The Turkish UAVs pictured are completely different from those bought from Israel. You don't turn a Rafale into an F-18E by changing the name painted on it, & the physical differences are of a similar magnitude.

There is no contradiction in buying Israel UAVs & developing their own. At the time Turkey ordered the Heron from Israel, Turkish equivalents were a future project, while Israeli UAVs were a present reality. The generals didn't want to wait & hope. Buy foreign for the short-term need, with an eye to buying local in the future if indigenous industry comes up with the goods. Where's the contradiction?

The Turkish UAV programme has been public for several years, as Bronzeplaque says. There is no question of this being something hastily cobbled together for a photo-op. The development contract for the ANKA was signed, & announced, in December 2004. It is scheduled to fly in September this year.

The only parts of the above report that rings true are those that refer to Turkey not yet having Turkish UAVs in service yet, & not discarding its current fleet of Israeli UAVs. Of course, Turkey will keep the current lot in use.

Some idiot in Israel has countered an exaggerated press report from Turkey with one even worse.

BTW, that blog is as reliable a source as North Korean official spokesmen. Have you read it?
Never read it,, it just seems that Turkey comming up with their UAV just at the time Israel contract is being canceled seems just like too much of a concidence.
 

swerve

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Never read it,, it just seems that Turkey comming up with their UAV just at the time Israel contract is being canceled seems just like too much of a concidence.
Nope. It's actually running late. I've seen press reports from last December saying that according to the original schedule, it should have flown by then.

And the Israeli contract hasn't been cancelled. Parts of it have been suspended.
 

CapnCrunch

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Turkey 'pretending' to make its own UAV's

On Tuesday, I reported that Turkey had 'suspended' its contract to purchase UAV's (unmanned aerial vehicles) from Israel. A senior Israeli defense ministry source, however, has told YNet that the contract is continuing and that the Turkish army is 'pretending' that it is capable of producing UAV's directly to please Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan.
Not Israeli, it's American. The ANKA has General Atomics visible fingerprints all over it, from the gross (frame and wings) to the minor (cooling air intakes). It's basically the MQ-1C Sky Warrior with parts borrowed and moved around with Turkish sensors and some other parts. The hump is missing since Turkey does not need Satcoms or have SAR radar.

This makes sense since Turkey has used the GA Gnat UAVs for some time.
 
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swerve

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Look again. Skywarrior has a low-wing & inverted V tail. ANKA has a high wing & V tail - not inverted. The fuselage shapes are completely different. The position of the air intake is similar, but the shape is different. Landing gear is different (much shorter, of course), & the wing is NOT the same. All that lot makes both the structural engineering & the aerodynamics significantly different.

Why do you find it hard to believe that a company which has licence-built F-16s, makes aero structures for Airbus. Boeing, Agusta Westland & Eurocopter, etc., etc., can't build a UAV?
 

BronzePlaque

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I, hereby, want to share this article for the people who have absouletly no idea what they are talking about..A little research before dropping comments here please..Thank you..


TAI: A Global Giant in Aerospace Industry with its more than 25 years ExperienceTAI strengthens her position among giant aerospace and defence companies in 2009 by her significant achievements taken in and around Turkey. The achievements realized in 2009, sales with 370 M$, reflects an increase of %60 as compared with the sales volume recorded in the previous year. The exports reached a total of 175 M$ in 2009. As a team player in design and development programs on a global scale, TAI has taken role in A400 M and JSF. On the other hand TAI has a sound technology in UAV programmes within the coverage of indigenous design, development and production activities. Under the scope these achievements, TAI’s CEO and President Mr. Muharrem Dörtka?l? assessed international activities and strategies, current situation of ongoing programmes and projects for the Defence Turkey readers.


Defence Turkey - It is seen that TAI has taken significant achievements in 2009. In terms of production, investment, R&D activities, how could you evaluate the improvements in figures in 2009? How do you asses TAI’s position in 2010? What are TAI’s 2010 targets?

First of all, the performance of not only TAI, but the whole SASAD Community was very good in 2009 and this elevation will continue some more years. We, as TAI, have also accomplished our goals and aims in line with our strategies in 2009. The important measures of the Company’s position and the performance are the total sales and the exports. The achievements realized in 2009, sales with 370 M$, reflects an increase of %60 as compared with the sales volume recorded in the previous year. The exports reached a total of 175 M$ in 2009 supporting the stable development of the Company. Despite a very challenging environment in 2010, a further significant volume growth of over another %60 is expected in total sales, which is primarily due to strong contribution of excellent institutional performance and deliveries. If we look at the investments, apart from the investments during the years of the establishment, TAI has entered a significant investment scheme during the past couple of years, which started with the A400M Program and continued in connection with the programs where we are acting as prime contractor. The investment efforts gained important momentum with JSF/F-35 Program, in which TAI has become the 2nd source of supply for the center fuselage. While our investments scored 27 M$ at the end of 2009, an additional investment of over 100 M$ is planned to be realized in 2010. We are maintaining our investments in technology, capital equipment and the infrastructure to strengthen our competitive position in global markets. With the completion of on-going investments at Ak?nc? facility, in the end of Q4 this year, the total working area under roof will approximately reach 260.000 m2. Moreover, by the end of 2010, we are expecting that the employment will reach about 3600 people, 1500 of whom will be engineers.

2010-2014 period is important for us in the sense that while the indigenous products and the solutions that are developed by TAI in the area of Trainer & Transport Aircraft, Helicopters, UAVs and the Satellites will be part of the Turkish Armed Forces inventory, at the same time we will be seeking strong presence in the global market for these products and services by the method of direct sales or through international cooperation. Therefore, this is going to be a breakthrough period for TAI.

On the other hand, I would like to reiterate our commitment to meet the program schedules and performances as specific targets of 2010. This includes, but is not limited with the delivery of the 4th and the last S70 BlackHawk helicopter under the Yarasa Program, the delivery of the 1st upgraded T-38 Jet Trainer, successful performance of the 1st flight of T?HA, test and readiness of 1st upgraded C-130 and many others. In line with our stable development efforts, we will continue to pursue the opportunities to become a design and manufacturing partner in new product development projects in the field of world commercial aviation industries.


Defence Turkey - How do you evaluate the export activities of TAI in 2009? What are your 2010 targets in export business?

The volume of export of TAI has reached 175 M$ in 2009. However, it is expected that the exports will significantly increase within a couple of years with the potential sale of our indigenous products to the allied countries. Also, the commencement of the delivery of JSF/F-35 center fuselage and other components, the serial production of A400M structures and delivery of the aircraft to the customers, will feed the export capacity in the short-term with following 20-25 years life span.

By the year 2023, we are aiming to have an annual sales volume of 2 billion $, half of which is generated thru export revenues. It is imperative to present our capabilities and our products in the international market with the reference of Turkish Armed Forces. As being the leader of aerospace sector in Turkey, TAI has been faced with important growth dynamics leading the Company to the prime role in meeting the Turkish Armed Forces’ modernization requirements with indigenous solutions, in addition to the key partnering role for increasing business opportunities in the international aerospace market. The development is based on increasing value-add in the programs with intensive engineering and focusing on the critical systems solutions. Our indigenous products such as HÜRKU? Trainer, Turkish Unmanned Aerial Vehicle as well as the tailored solutions for the S70 BlackHawk, C130 and T38 platforms are among the examples of such a challenge. Another key project is the Attack Helicopter (ATAK) Program, where TAI is the prime contractor. We do see great potential for international cooperation as well as exports in connection with these projects.

Last but not least, TAI is actively pursuing new business opportunities in the field of civil/commercial aviation. With the historical record compliance of cost-quality-timely delivery parameters, it is targeted that commercial export volume of TAI will be significantly increased before the end of 2010.

Defence Turkey - What are your intended plans and targets in relation to marketing and export on international platforms? Could you additionally elaborate the priority districts as well as strategies concerning joint production and joint R&D?

We strongly believe that TAI’s participation in international aerospace projects will increase the value, the overall sales and export potential on such projects. There exist very good examples of our contribution on military and civilian projects such as A400M, JSF/F-35, A350 XWB and B787. In line with our strategies, we may participate in new international military and commercial aerospace projects in the future as a partner where conditions warrant that a meaningful work share can be allocated for us in terms of design and manufacturing. On the other hand, considering the current status of development and implementation process, TAI will be open to discuss international partnership in most of our programs as well. While some of the products and integration solutions of TAI are in the market now, and the others will be available in full spectrum in less than a few years. Consequently, it is our aim to become a key player with these products and solutions together with new derivatives in the global market. At this stage, we are exploring the working models together with allied countries at the early phase as “joint development partner” to adopt and harmonize their requirements with those of the Turkish Armed Forces, which has well-respected battlefield operational excellence. Moreover, this approach will help those partners to extend their capability base and to secure the lower costs of ownership through the life-cycle operation of such complex systems.

There will be significant export and partnering opportunities for our products such as T?HA-UAV and T-129 ATAK Helicopter as well as the modernization programs where TAI is playing an important role. However, TAI will be closely working with Turkish MoND and other concerned authorities in obtaining necessary approvals and licenses if and when required.

Defence Turkey - How do you assess TAI’s activities and recent situation regarding the modernization project of F16 aircraft in the inventory of the Pakistani Air Forces and the F16 for the Royal Jordan Air Force (RJAF)?

Being the second largest F-16 manufacturer in the world (with 250+ deliveries) following Lockheed Martin, TAI has a very good reputation around the world with her F-16 expertise and quality. Completed and ongoing structural/avionics upgrades for Turkish and Jordanian Air Force F-16’s on the other hand, make TAI a very capable and competitive company for modification programs as well. With our timely deliveries, flight testing and technical training packages, our customers become satisfied.

Due to those achievements, TAI is currently being invited to several F-16 upgrade tenders around the world, and like in the case of Pakistani Air Force, with its quality and competitive pricing, TAI was awarded. We are very closely following world F-16 upgrade market, and it would not be surprising if we all hear more of this type of awarding.

Defence Turkey - TAI is one of the very important major suppliers in the JSF/F-35 aircraft program.
Could you please inform us about the progress of your activities within this program?

TAI is spending every effort in order to maximize the work share of JSF/F-35 Program. JSF is one of the most challenging military programs in the world. Becoming a player in this program requires significant efforts. These efforts cover enhancing the existing technical capability and also require significant investment. This is what we are doing today. We started these activities in 2005 and it is ramping up every day. On the technical side, to meet the program requirements, TAI has improved its composite manufacturing technology and some of the most difficult composite components of the aircraft are now being manufactured at our facilities. The components we manufacture are not only for Turkish aircraft, but they are used for all global fleet. We have been delivering miscellaneous parts and components since last year and this delivery rate will continue to increase over the years.
TAI plans to reach 4-4.5 Billion US Dollars of sales within the scope of JSF/F-35 Program which will continue up to year 2034.

Defence Turkey - Could you please enlighten us about the activities of the A400M?

As you know, A400M Program is a multinational consortium effort among European nations. Even though the program has a long history, (previously it was known as Future Large Aircraft–FLA) design activities started in 2003. This program is TAI’s first “design-to-build” type of international contract. According to original contract, deliveries were going to start in 2009, but due to some technical difficulties, mainly engine development of the program, a certain delay became unavoidable. Last year the authorities of the launching nations made several meetings to find solution to the situation. And finally six Nation’s Defense Minister agreed on the continuation of the program with some contract amendments.
As of today, two test aircraft are flying, other two are in static and fatigue test. Other three aircraft will be flying within one year and in the meantime we are getting ready for serial production.
This military cargo aircraft is one of its kind in the world with the capabilities reached today. I firmly believe that once it is operational there will be a lot of export sales to several countries.

Defence Turkey - TAI has gained the technological experience in international programmes. Will new international project participations be considered in following period?
TAI’s experience, as a design partner, on A400M Program enabled TAI to receive new proposals from Airbus and the other companies as “risk sharing partner” status. We are bidding for a similar partnership with selected aircraft manufacturing companies for their newly developing aircraft. Today, when we look at the aerospace sector, interactions and cooperation within companies is often observed. TAI is one of the well known companies that can effectively establish such relationship. As the leading aerospace industry of Turkey, we have accumulated enough experience of building international relations so that we can provide contribution for international partnership in value, structuring and improvement of high quality and technology required. Consequently, in line with our strategies, that are set out in 2010-2014 Strategic Plan, we are considering to participate in new international projects.
Defence Turkey - Could you provide us some information the steps taken regarding ATAK projects since the maiden flight held in Milano at September?

Following the maiden flight of P1 (Prototype #1) on September 28th, the ATAK Preliminary Design Review (PDR) was concluded with the approval of Turkish Undersecretariat for Defense Industries (SSM), on October 15th, 2009. With the arrival of Airframe Mock-up at TAI’s premises on November 5th, physical implementation of the Digital Mock-up has been started. In April 2010, the Final Assembly line will be activated with the delivery of the P4 components from AgustaWestland. Critical Design Review (CDR), to be held separately for; Aselsan, AgustaWestland and TAI before final approval of SSM after TAI CDR, has already commenced and scheduled to be concluded in August 2010.

Defence Turkey - Could you please inform us about your UAV activities and the current developments in UAV programmes?

TAI’s UAV experience extends back to 1990’s. As the first UAV Project in Turkey UAV-X1 was initiated by SSM; and TAI indigenously developed and flight tested a tactical class UAV in 1992.

In 1997 a flying target prototype, namely Turna, was developed for the Ministry of National Defence and succeeded its first flights. Since then Turna is the first indigenous air vehicle to enter into services of Turkish Air Force and Turkish Army.

In 2005, a joint force Medium Altitude Long Endurance (MALE) class UAV development program was announced by SSM and TAI was awarded as prime contractor with the contract. A couple of years were spent to settle down with the requirements ranging from 1,5 ton to 4 ton vehicle. Finally 1,5 ton class was selected and in 2007 detailed design activities began. The first prototype to carry an ASELSAN electro-optic payload accomplished on April 1st, 2010. We expect to complete the extensive ground tests and make the maiden flight through the end of this summer. We planned a very busy flight test campaign and the first stage will be demonstrated in the first half of 2011. Second stage will cover a SAR Payload as a second simultaneous payload.

Defence Turkey - What is the current situation in TAI’s modernization, modification and systems integration activities regarding F-16 and C-130 modernization programs as well as Black Hawk, Meltem II and III, Peace Eagle programs that are in the inventory of Turkey and countries in the region?

YARASA (the Black Hawk Modernization Program), has accomplished a major milestone with successful synchronization of FMS (Flight Management System) with MSS (Mission Support System) before the delivery of third Helicopter on December 9th, 2009. Following the completion of the Program in 2010, the YARASA Avionics Suite is believed to receive a lot of interest from the neighboring friendly countries.

As the prime contractor of Erciyes C-130 Avionics Modernization Program, TAI is to upgrade 13 TuAF C-130 aircraft. This program includes;
• Design a new glass cockpit,
• Integrate next generation avionics systems,
• Design the Mission Computer,
• Develop the Operational Flight Program (OFP),
• Integrated Night Vision Goggle Compatible lighting system,
• Deliver a new Ground Mission Planning Station,
• Execute Logistics Support Activities such as training, technical publication, spare parts, etc.
Avionics package includes integration of the Weather Radar, Terrain and Traffic Collision Avoidance System (T2CAS), Automatic Flight Control System and Cockpit Management System with the Mission Computer.
Erciyes program will be unique in many ways as being the first aviation program to undergo a local airworthiness certification process. It will be the first Turkish program with a mission computer to host an Operational Flight Program developed and certified under DO-178B standards.
The modification tasks on two prototypes are nearing the end and OFP development and test activities are continuing as planned. First flight test is scheduled for May 2011.
For modernization programs such as Peace Eagle, Meltem II & III, TAI’s role is to act as subcontractor to design and perform platform modification.
TAI also keeps her eyes on other nations air platform modification needs in order to export technological capabilities gained with the current modernization programs. C-130 Avionics Modernization and Maritime Patrol & Surveillance Aircraft (MPA & MSA) programs have more potential in the region.

Defence Turkey - TAI has gained technological experience in helicopter projects such as Yarasa, Atak. It is expected that Turkish Armed Forces General Purpose Helicopter will conclude in the coming months. How do you assess the TAI’s position and activities within this project?

Turkish Utility Helicopter Program (TUHP) is a major tool, to secure the level loading of the shop in the coming decade with over 100 deliveries. Besides that, TAI will gain some critical technologies and infrastructure for indigenous helicopter development efforts. The volume of the work for Turkish industry in TUHP is at the level of Billion USD. Both of the two contenders have their superior sides, and whichever is selected by the Executive Committee in May/June period, Turkish Aviation Industry as a whole, will benefit most.

Defence Turkey - What are TAI’s activities related to space and what is TAI’s approach to space projects? Could you enlighten us the current position of Gokturk Programme?

TAI is continuously enhancing her space/satellite capabilities. Our aim, in satellite technologies, is to develop, test and manufacture the satellites which are needed by our country. We started with military remote sensing satellites but we are planning to do the same with civilian satellites as well. On the communication satellites we are in close coordination with TÜRKSAT management.
One of the key capabilities for satellite development is qualified engineering team from different disciplines and TAI, I believe, has the largest engineering staff in Turkey today. One other important point for satellite production which you have to have is an Assembly Integration and Test facility. The construction of such facility will be established in TAI territory this year.
Another important point in this sector is the collaboration with appropriate players like universities, institutions and industry. Today we are working with different Turkish partners and trying to maximize their contribution.
GOKTURK Program is on track and monitored very closely by SSM and the activities will be ramping up this year.
TAI’s vision in this area is to be one of the players in the world as satellite designer and manufacturer under competitive conditions.
 
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BronzePlaque

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Defence Turkey - Would you like to add a message for our readers?

TAI’s stable development strategy is based on becoming an aerospace industry with indigenous products and global competitive power. We believe that our products and services will contribute lowering the dependency in Turkey’s aerospace requirements at the same time will create sustainable growth in aerospace exports. As the major aerospace and defence systems require a wide and comprehensive capability base, TAI is working in close cooperation with not only major Armed Forces Foundation Companies such as Aselsan, Havelsan and Roketsan, but also with a number of small scale technological companies.

Knowing the fact that; our efforts of developing a technological aerospace industry and indigenous products are being supported by Turkish Armed Forces, Ministry of National Defence and Undersecreteriat for Defence Industries, increase our enthusiasm in this regard.

At this point, I would like to extend my deepest gratitude to Turkish Armed Forces, Ministry of National Defense, Undersecreteriat for Defence Industries, our shareholders and to all those who supported us continuously both in our past gains and future plans.

In conclusion, I would like to state with great confidence that we have the inspiration from Atatürk’s motto of ‘’build your own aero plane.’’ With this motivation TAI is developing and building not only for today but for the future of Turkey’s Aerospace.
 

IfElseReturn

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Some people claim that it's a pure copy of herons or her american kind. The real question is "can Americans and Israelis take the heat"? No. They don't want to give up their superiority specially to 3rd world country Turkey (They classify countries like that which is equal to say "my d***** is bigger than yours).

Well done Turkish engineers!
NOTE: I guess the engineers were working on anka in a secret facility because they were not found "shot in the head" this time. Mossad and CIA should have failed eh?


A friendly salute from Finland.
 

madandlucky

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Some people claim that it's a pure copy of herons or her american kind. The real question is "can Americans and Israelis take the heat"? No. They don't want to give up their superiority specially to 3rd world country Turkey (They classify countries like that which is equal to say "my d***** is bigger than yours).

Well done Turkish engineers!
NOTE: I guess the engineers were working on anka in a secret facility because they were not found "shot in the head" this time. Mossad and CIA should have failed eh?


A friendly salute from Finland.
in fact, they dont see them as a "treat", i think...
because maybe you heard that three of engineers of ASELSAN, which is on of the most important Defence Industries in Turkey and its within first 100 in the world, was killed last year.. the newaspapers said that its suicide, Turkish people did not believe in it...
they were working on F-16 airplanes' software... they were about cracking the source codes of them... you know "friend or foe" software...
So that everything can be in everytime.. keep your eyes open ;)
 

BronzePlaque

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in fact, they dont see them as a "treat", i think...
because maybe you heard that three of engineers of ASELSAN, which is on of the most important Defence Industries in Turkey and its within first 100 in the world, was killed last year.. the newaspapers said that its suicide, Turkish people did not believe in it...
they were working on F-16 airplanes' software... they were about cracking the source codes of them... you know "friend or foe" software...
So that everything can be in everytime.. keep your eyes open ;)

Well, may be they committed suicide or they were really assasinated..We won`t know the truth..Speculations won`t take us anywhere..Its a dead end..So lets stick to the topic
 

YorgosChrys

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Now that's my first post in this forum and it couldn't be on a more interesting topic to myself.

I stand and watch Turkish UAV development from the other side of the pond in Greece and I'd just like to make a couple of points...

First of all...whatever the deficits the "ANKA" might be facing right now it still is a commendable effort on behalf of Turkish engineers and yes they should be proud of it because it is their work that makes sure their country wont find itself lagging behind in the modern defence technology race. Unfortunately that's exactly where my country is at right now and it's not a nice place at all. If anybody says otherwise they're just biased.

However...there is another side to this story...at least from my point of view...
That would be the fact that all those efforts & accomplishments are commissioned by and for a rather corrupt institution...which is this whole Kemalist military-industrial-judicial complex that envisions Turkey as a militaristic regional power able to impose its will on its neighbours through the use of arms or otherwise.
Truth be told there's some inconsistency to be found in my opinion. That being that though nobody would stop Turkey from utilising these homegrown UAVs against my country in a possible armed conflict I understand they're exclusively being used by the 2nd Army in SE Turkey to monitor the border against Kurdish rebel incursions. That is rather legit in my book.

Of course I would sure like to know who's been sabotaging the Israeli HERONs, allowing for a rather large Kurdish incursion to go undetected which eventually led to 12 dead and 16 wounded during an attack on a Turkish Army camp close to the border. Or maybe this fact just serves to demonstrate the our Turkish friends are not as adept in handling UAVs as they would like the rest of the world to think.
By the way...I dont quite remember all the details and I'm sure our Turkish friends in the forum could enlighten us further but I think that the main suspects for the sabotage were a group of Turkish Armed Forces officers and definitely not Mossad operatives.

It's the same Turkish Armed Forces that are being such visionaries when it comes to defence technology and it's definitely the same TAF that is being accused of being involved in shadow organisations such as Ergenekon. An organisation that seemed to be tasked with coordinating some sort of coup d'etat against Tayyip Erdogan and his AKP in order to force the Turkish society back to secularism and away from Erdogan's "Islamodemocracy"(that's what I call the current social experiment which is underway in Turkey). Also hoping to install a military junta to power which could then assert Turkey's dominance over the region in a way that i guess Erdogan is not willing to...

Basically I think that Turkey is standing on a crossroad...
Manufacturing a host of high tech defence gadgets is always a good thing and it can lead to a blossoming of science and industry in an otherwise moderately developed nation such a Turkey and yes it can be a source of pride for the nation.

On the other hand planning to use these gadgets with hopes of restoring the old Ottoman Empire to its former glory is just plain STUPID as a concept of thought and hopefully I dont need to elaborate any further on that...I'm sure all right-minded Turks would agree with me on that as well...
 
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