saladin417
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can we make ash clouds to bring down aircraft in times of war.
ash clouds anti air defence
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Nope, only mother nature....
Not quite true. Theoretically, if you have access to the right type of volcano and nuclear weapons, you could do it.
For instance, if you were to nuke Vulcano (Small island gas volcano just north of Sicily) it would go of, and take the entire island with it. That's bound to throw up some serious amounts of dirt.
On the other hand, if you're going to use nukes, why waste them on volcanoes?
Its possible; the ash from Iceland Volcano, contained glass, which damaged F 16 engines, which flew into cloud.
Obviously you cant use a volcano, but artificial launcher say stuff shells with fine glass or some other delivery system. You could coat medium to high altitude with these shards.
Its debateable how effective they will be and they would damage own planes. Seems to me it would be a last ditch weapon, when all hope is lost.
Obviously you cant use a volcano, but artificial launcher say stuff shells with fine glass or some other delivery system. You could coat medium to high altitude with these shards.
Its debateable how effective they will be and they would damage own planes. Seems to me it would be a last ditch weapon, when all hope is lost.
localhost127
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what about the further evolution of cloud seeding, of which has already been put into predictable use?
Creating dust clouds would really only be useful if your military could not establish or had no hope of establishing air superiorty. Ash does not discriminate and it will FOD out everyone equally.
(I think that's fairly obvious to everyone, but it's a point I'm going to tuck in the back of my mind during this discussion.)
In my mind, I find a bit hard seeing this ever happen. A nuke or massive amounts of high explosives and drilling equipment would be required, and these might be beyond the means of a small nation (the most likely candidate for trying this, since their small air force could nprobably not establish air superiority conventionally in a war).
A large nation might try it as a last-ditch strategy if they entered the endgame of the war in a losing position, but I have doubts as to whether or not this is a likely response.
As for terrorists trying it, they'd be better off using the nuke for other things, like attacking population centers.
(I think that's fairly obvious to everyone, but it's a point I'm going to tuck in the back of my mind during this discussion.)
In my mind, I find a bit hard seeing this ever happen. A nuke or massive amounts of high explosives and drilling equipment would be required, and these might be beyond the means of a small nation (the most likely candidate for trying this, since their small air force could nprobably not establish air superiority conventionally in a war).
A large nation might try it as a last-ditch strategy if they entered the endgame of the war in a losing position, but I have doubts as to whether or not this is a likely response.
As for terrorists trying it, they'd be better off using the nuke for other things, like attacking population centers.
Mike Taylor
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:sniperFighters are more susceptible to the ash in part because their engines operate at higher temperatures due to more extreme performance requirements, making it more likely that the ash will melt inside the engine's hot parts. To test the safety of the skies, some fighter jets flew during the closure period. Not all came back unscathed — one Belgian F-16 and two Finnish F-18s reportedly had engine damage after flying through the ash cloud, an outcome that could bode ill for future fighter operations if the volcano continues to belch ash.
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Well lets say that someone (I won't point fingers) develops a way to negate the negative effects of such a weapon system, by say improving engine design. They would then be able to safely operate inside such a cloud. And would have no qualms about using it, provided it was tacticaly convenient to.
Curious George
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I say the old school propeller plane would be the most ashproof solution. I guess they use some sort of air filter or this filter may be easily installed and internal combustion engine should be OK in this case. I guess the turbo prop would be no different from jet plane in this case. Am I correct?
I always wonder why jet engines do not have an air filter?
I always wonder why jet engines do not have an air filter?
Putting a mesh over the engine probably obstructs the airflow and it might create shockwave or drag issues on supersonic a/c.
However, it is worth noting that putting a grille over an intake has been done before in the F-117 (albeit for a different reason, in that case to improve its LO).