What is the advantages of the Tiger helicopter?

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The tiger has several versions, latest HAD all integrated into AA (air to air) and AG (air to ground).

Reality of helicopters in combat.

They can not carry a tank armor, no weapons can withstand damage from 12 gauge up, especially HE (hight explosive) against a cockpit.


Easily knocked over by aircraft, air defense platform, portable bazookas, guided missiles and sizes from 12 to 50 HE. Designed to withstand lower calibres


Primary missions.

Support for ground forces, fire support in battle fronts,infiltration in ground enemy by more range km, securing areas inaccessible to the infantry and armored divisions, to ensure strategic objectives.

Avoid clip-in combat situations.

In city against terrorism, against the insurgency.

Requirements
Low maintenance, low consumption, air-activated vector long time supporting the troops.

Their survival depends on mobility, durability, reliability, mountains, trees, buildings,tunnels, leaving the slightest trace of their presence to the enemy sensors and can be fitted at any place at any time, from a valley to a mountain and a simple tank fuel Hidden and 2 or 3 operators appropriate.

That is versatile in arms, both AA and AS.


Tiger is a development in the years to 80.10 years after his contemporaries and is the only time that using composite materials in a good part of its design, this helps to degrade enemy sensors more than the previous generations and also makes lighter weight.

These images may hurt your sensibility

Canadian Video barret sniper with 50 "HE to 2100m.

Canadian snipers in Afghanistan Video - Heavy.com

Apache
http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=208078&page=1


Tiger Hap 2

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The range de 800km.

Tecnobit best sensor IR/thermal to HAD l,but no money,exceed the cost.

Capable with hellfire ii and spike Er or new weapoms(software owner),off boresight and change target in fly missile.


Greetings

 

[jack412]

We (Australia) only got the Tiger because we felt guilty about flying one into the ground at HRTA. :

its a shame they arent feeling as guilty to get it and the nh90 FOC, both to me are dragging their feet
either that or i'm too impatient

 

[Kilo 2-3]

The tiger has several versions, latest HAD all integrated into AA (air to air) and AG (air to ground).

Reality of helicopters in combat.

They can not carry a tank armor, no weapons can withstand damage from 12 gauge up, especially HE (hight explosive) against a cockpit.

Easily knocked over by aircraft, air defense platform, portable bazookas, guided missiles and sizes from 12 to 50 HE. Designed to withstand lower calibres

If I remember rightly, the fuselage of the Tiger was given sufficient Kevlar/ballistic protection to withstand hits from shells/size up to and including the 23mm shell used by the RUssian ZSU-23 AAA.

Bazookas/RPGs and 12 gauge shotguns are of limited utility against a maneuvering attack helo at speed.(Note:A Black Hawk Down-type scenario with low-hovering utility/transport helicopters vs. RPGs are a very different story, as the 160th found out in Mogadishu.)

MANPADS, other attack helicopters, crew-served MG and small arms (AA is one of the purposes of the HMGs carried by MBTs), AAA, and SAMs pose a greater threat

Primary missions.

Support for ground forces, fire support in battle fronts,infiltration in ground enemy by more range km, securing areas inaccessible to the infantry and armored divisions, to ensure strategic objectives.

Avoid clip-in combat situations.

In city against terrorism, against the insurgency.

Requirements
Low maintenance, low consumption, air-activated vector long time supporting the troops.

Their survival depends on mobility, durability, reliability, mountains, trees, buildings,tunnels, leaving the slightest trace of their presence to the enemy sensors and can be fitted at any place at any time, from a valley to a mountain and a simple tank fuel Hidden and 2 or 3 operators appropriate.

That is versatile in arms, both AA and AS.

Nap-of-earth flight and use of terrain for concealment have been standard parts of the attack helo mission profile since the Cold War. (The need to use trees, berms, etc. as cover prior to attacking is one of the reasons attack helicopters like the Apache Longbow have masthead sights.)

I heartily agree with you that low-level capability and flexibility is essential for any attack helo.

However, I'd argue that some the missions you've listed above are either partly unrealistic.

In my mind, the primary role of the modern attack helicopter is two main elements: CAS and a semi-corrollary of this in the Anti-Armor/tank hunting role. COIN/counter-terror is growing in importance for attack heloes, although this is a role fixed-wing UAVs are playing a significant role in. Odds are the next few generations of attack helos will see a rotary-wing UAV in their ranks.

I doubt basing mobility is going to grow in modern attack helos. The increasing weight and complexity brought about by modern attack helo tech is a limiting factor in how much you can do at the front. Operating from clearings and roads is still going to be possible, but maintenance demands could going to mean more support crew, maintainers, etc. at forward bases.

Just my two cents on these points. I'm appreciate anyone with combat military aviation experience sounding off on them.

 

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What is important in a helicopter is the ability range, being able to have your enemy almost constantly in your vector of attack and the enemy do not have your ability to reach areas of supply / logistica.Tu have ability to attack his base logistics and repair equipment, logistics are baseless enemy helicopters on the ground, for lack of parts, lack of maintenance and skilled personnel, lack of range.Adaptate missions entrusted to attack enemy bases and even go all path close to the ground at night is one of their tasks.

Joined to helicopter/aviation uva/ucas/ucavs in the future,but the present is this.

One platform anti air SMART/L (version ER) detect the f-22 to 250km (fast target),identify to 50 km with APAR,but you quit the protocol identy you lauch missile before.

In a network that's computerized anti-aircraft early warning and enemy air force in air.

 

[Gremlin29]

CAS, strike, recon and escort (air and ground). Gunships also reduce threats by virtue of presence ie show of force. Part of the strike mission would also include remote targeting and or target handoff.

Regarding NOE (less than 40 knots airspeed), it's a proven poor mode of tactical flight and was abandoned by the US some years ago. Terrain flight is a different matter but if you do not have a significant SAM or manpad threat it just makes sense to stay above effective small arms range.

Air to air capability is a waste of time effort and money. There's zero incidents of helicopter air to air encounter. If you have a significant air threat your helicopters are going to be used up rather quickly, particularly facing Gen 3 or later fast movers. Without air superiority, the helicopters are going to stay home or be turned into scrap metal the hard way. Air to air missile systems are just using up valuable weight that could be put to better use in performane capabilities at higher altitudes etc.

 

[Kilo 2-3]

Air to air capability is a waste of time effort and money. There's zero incidents of helicopter air to air encounter. If you have a significant air threat your helicopters are going to be used up rather quickly, particularly facing Gen 3 or later fast movers. Without air superiority, the helicopters are going to stay home or be turned into scrap metal the hard way. Air to air missile systems are just using up valuable weight that could be put to better use in performance capabilities at higher altitudes etc.

I do agree with your point that air-to-air is not really a vital mission or currently relevant mission for modern attack helicopters. The capability to carry Sidewinders on some Cobras, and Mistrals and Stingers on Tigers is a vestige of the Cold War, as a means of giving helicopters a means of self-defense and counter-helicopter capability.

It might be worth keeping just in case, perhaps a modular system. or only in certain variants

 

[Gremlin29]

I don't know what the weight penalty is for having the system in place for something simple like the Stinger, or more complex like Sidewinder. Both have been tested on various US helicopters but again, it's a scenario that's never ever been an issue anywhere and the capability often represents a performance penalty. You wont find a helicopter pilot alive that believes there's such a thing as too much power.

Also rereading some comments regarding armor protection keep in mind that armor is not a countermeasure, it's survivability equipment. It is ideal if you can simply outrange your threat, this is possible for gunships when SAM's, ADA and manpads are not "big" threats.